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[shakeyplace]

QUOTE(gts24 @ Nov 14 2009, 01:46 PM)

Are you referring to regaining the ability to play games from the hard drive on a banned console? If I had that ability again I wouldn't even give a rats ass about getting a non-banned console. I couldn't care less about playing on XBL.

sounds like the making of a class action law suit....
hmmm, break the terms of service and you can not only get banned but they cripple the hardware you bought fair and square!!!!? I understand the argument behind the bans, but cripple the machine so we can't back up our single player games on our own hard drive?

[robo989]

QUOTE(shakeyplace @ Nov 14 2009, 11:05 PM)

sounds like the making of a class action law suit....
hmmm, break the terms of service and you can not only get banned but they cripple the hardware you bought fair and square!!!!? I understand the argument behind the bans, but cripple the machine so we can't back up our single player games on our own hard drive?

Actually no, because the game installs isn't an advertised feature when you buy the product.

[chorizo1]

New DVD FW in dev/test - ixtreme LT (Lite Touch)

Lets stay on topic

[ccfman2004]

QUOTE(chorizo1 @ Nov 14 2009, 10:35 PM)

New DVD FW in dev/test - ixtreme LT (Lite Touch)

Lets stay on topic

I believe I said that quite some time ago, but no one seems to listen to me.

[bodybag]

Hi

I reakon the new 360 update probes/queries the drive, maybe send a fake wave to the drive and if flashed with ixtreme it would reject it, however a unflashed 360 would recognise the fake wave....Then sends this info back to MS

It would explain how people get banned without putting a "backup" disk in and explain how the new LT firmware will recognise ALL waves when released....................

[logicwatch]

QUOTE(alexmtothemax @ Nov 14 2009, 08:57 PM)

Nice try, Microsoft.

LOL my thoughts exactly  

[zoltrix2590]

QUOTE(bodybag @ Nov 14 2009, 05:21 PM)

Hi

I reakon the new 360 update probes/queries the drive, maybe send a fake wave to the drive and if flashed with ixtreme it would reject it, however a unflashed 360 would recognise the fake wave....Then sends this info back to MS

It would explain how people get banned without putting a "backup" disk in and explain how the new LT firmware will recognise ALL waves when released....................

Goddamn... that actually makes sense!

[bodybag]

QUOTE(zoltrix2590 @ Nov 14 2009, 11:23 PM)

Goddamn... that actually makes sense!

I also think MS accidently stumbled across this, when putting the update on the video partition and C4EVA's firmwares would not play the new wave as his firmwares are very strict on that part......I could be wrong, more than likely!

So, all his efforts to protect us from bans have actually been the firmwares downfall......

[xbox360sexual]

No that doesn't make sense, how can the console send a fake "wave" to the drive? Doesn't make sense at all. More likely is that the extra second or so delay when you put a disc in from the wave checking of iXtreme is enough of an indication that modded f/w is being used.

[Mcegan]

QUOTE(xbox360sexual @ Nov 14 2009, 06:26 PM)

No that doesn't make sense, how can the console send a fake "wave" to the drive? Doesn't make sense at all. More likely is that the extra second or so delay when you put a disc in from the wave checking of iXtreme is enough of an indication that modded f/w is being used.

He basically said it himself that thats the reason, but not in so many words...all the stealth check features he added were just adding overhead to every command....over time if you see a persons firmware is consistently taking longer than average, then you know. They are unnecessary features built in to protect noobs from trying to insert the wrong wave and such...once he takes them out and leaves in only the essentials, it should be "stealth" forever.

Also, the new "Preparing for facebook/twitter" bullshit likely added a subroutine that logged the the time it was taking each FW command somewhere on your HD, or straight to MS. It was probably programmed in a way that it would only try to grab the data if it had free cpu cycles, so you would never notice.

This post has been edited by Mcegan: Nov 15 2009, 12:55 AM

[xbox360sexual]

QUOTE(Mcegan @ Nov 14 2009, 11:53 PM)

He basically said it himself that thats the reason, but not in so many words...all the stealth check features he added were just adding overhead to every command....over time if you see a persons firmware is consistently taking longer than average, then you know.

That's pretty much what I said too. I was disagreeing with the "360 sends a wave to the drive" theory which makes no sense whatsoever.

[purplerose1414]

We could limit the possibilities if someone with a firmware version that doesn't check for waves , like 1.51, could say whether they've been banned or not.
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On another board people with 1.51 have said they haven't been banned yet, for what very little that's worth.

This post has been edited by purplerose1414: Nov 15 2009, 01:45 AM

[Mcegan]

QUOTE(purplerose1414 @ Nov 14 2009, 07:45 PM)

We could limit the possibilities if someone with a firmware version that doesn't check for waves , like 1.51, could say whether they've been banned or not.
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On another board people with 1.51 have said they haven't been banned yet, for what very little that's worth.

Waves aren't the only checks done....there's tons of them he's added. If it was that simple he'd be done by now.

[morgan241985]

im just gonna buy a cheap second hand 360 and await new firmware

This post has been edited by morgan241985: Nov 15 2009, 10:34 AM

[dragontm]

QUOTE(morgan241985 @ Nov 15 2009, 09:33 AM)

im just gonna buy a cheap second hand 360 and await new firmware

be careful as there seems to be about 1million banned second hand boxes floating about