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[TRIaXOR]

Just waiting on the Liteon F/W, all I gota say is Well done C4EVA, keep up the good work man    

[-PrE-]

QUOTE(bigdong31157 @ Oct 30 2009, 02:38 PM)

Do I need to use my "probe" again on my Benq VAD6038 to update 1.6 => 1.61 or just flash as normal.

Thanks!

You never use a probe on Benq, only liteons

[TRIaXOR]

QUOTE(bigdong31157 @ Oct 30 2009, 02:38 PM)

Do I need to use my "probe" again on my Benq VAD6038 to update 1.6 => 1.61 or just flash as normal.

Thanks!

QUOTE(-PrE- @ Oct 30 2009, 02:43 PM)

You never use a probe on Benq, only liteons

You only have to probe stock liteon's, iXtreme flashed liteon's should report its key/inquiry without the probe.

[bigdong31157]

My bad. I'm a Jackass.

I have had so many xbox's I got confused. Apparently I do have a lite on. I just needed my memory jogged a bit.

Thanks for answering my question though about the lite on. I assumed I wouldn't have to use the probe to dump the key since it was already running 1.6 but I just needed some verification.

Thanks Guys!

[dharrison]

I am very thankful for C4Eva and his work as I personally don't know the first thing about XBOX 360 security, nor even how to start coding a firmware to override it. But, on the other side of things, I do have a strong computer programming background and have been working on XBOX consoles since their launch. Which I hope would give me some credibility to what I'm about to say...

First off, I do agree that the boot requirements for 1.6+ firmwares will eventually take their tolls when waves of games come out more frequently. Its only a matter of time before this happens and when it does, making a firmware for each drive will become a daunting of a task for C4Eva and/or others, just like it does now for Hitachi owners. So far in a matter of months since NXE was released, we have seen 3 drive revisions pop up and 2 dashboard updates, allowing for new firmware revisions to be made. Now, if we see a new 'wave' of disc structures every time a new game is released with the NXE update on it, just think of how many new waves will come out in the course of a year? It's much easier for Microsoft and other developers to create a game with a dashboard update on it, than it is to counter the update with a new firmware. And with all of these new features coming out like Facebook, Twitter, last.fm; I'm sure we will see another wave here very soon, making 1.61 obsolete.

Secondly, there is an upside and a downside to creating a firmware (ie. 1.51) that doesn't have strict boot requirements. The upside, we all know, is that we can boot any disc knowing that it will run without use of a bootloader; which can be a good thing for our sake against Microsoft. The downside, however, is that having a firmware that doesn't check the disc is bound to give us (as a scene) some precautions. Just think about all of the users out there who don't rip their own discs, and that don't check their games with ABGX... A lot of people will not know whether or not their games are retail copy of the game or not. Yes, we all know this, and I'm bringing it back up, but eventually Microsoft will adapt to the people who keep playing games that are causing them to get banned. They will make changes that could effect the way we play backups. Is this is a risk that I want to take? Not really? Because I love XBOX 360 hacking, even if I don't understand as much as some people in the scene, I do know that things will get harder and harder to crack and updates will have to come more often than they did in the past.

Sorry for the wall of text, but to the people who are providing suggestions for the firmware; everyone needs to think about why there are requirements in the first place and where this is all going with future NXE releases.

This post has been edited by dharrison: Oct 30 2009, 02:59 PM

[Cedru]

QUOTE(jimbobjim @ Oct 30 2009, 06:51 AM)

To be honest I can't be bothered with upgrading mine and my mates drives every few months. I'd rather flash with a slightly less safe fw and take my chances. Cos lets face it, even those of us with the latest fw still aren't completely safe. Microsoft have detected every previous release within a few months of it's arrival... hence why we are now about 30 releases down the line. They will crack 1.6x and drop the ban hammer again... it's just a matter of time, imo.

I'd be happy to use 5.3 for Samsungs, 1.51 for Hitachi and 1.41 (non stealth) for Benq's. Then all we'll need is a Liteon solution.

See, and there in lies the problem.

How long does it honestly take to flash a system.  I can do a system from Open to close in approximately 5-6 minutes.  Are you willing to let your $200-$300 Machine be turned into a Non-Live Enabled Machine (talking LIVE Ban) for a measly 6 minutes worth of work?

Microsoft does not "Crack" the firmware we use.  The Video Partition gets larger or moved (also known here as Wave Updates) because they have to fit the new Dashboard Updates on the Original Game Disk to accomodate the Non-LIVE Connected Folk.  These updates we do to fix Wave x Video Partition updates have nothing to do with Microsoft trying to stop our backup capabilities.  Their protection is in the Drives Firmware itself - See the New and CURRENTLY undumpable Lite-On Drives - Not where and how to put the Video Partitions on Retail Disks.

[blong579]

QUOTE(amak1131 @ Oct 30 2009, 03:23 AM)

I'm sure that while most of us appreciate the updates for each new Wave, I agree that it would be easier to just have it bypass that check altogether. If someone is dumb enough to play a backup without stealth checking it, let him be banned.

same here

[tactical]

Yeah, I agree, there should be 2 versions of software coming out, one with Wave 4 on it and another one with out so we can decide for ourselves if we want to update the firmware every 2 months or not.
In readme file can be placed info about checking database to make sure your game checks out right.
I too don't want to have to open my xbox every couple of months BECAUSE  I check every backup I have to make sure everything checks out before I put it in my xbox.
So make both camps happy, for those that like opening and closing their xbox every month or 2 give them Wave 4, wave 5, wave 6, wave 7 every month or 2 and give the others of us that would like to DO CHECK from database the wave FREE version.

This post has been edited by tactical: Oct 30 2009, 03:45 PM

[ToBbErT]

I hope c4eva changes hes mind and drops the stealth check in the new lite on fw. Like many said it doesnt really make things safer if you use abgx. I guess its all about protecting the nubs that don't check there back ups but its nice to see that hes trying to protect everyone.

[amak1131]

Hmm...after reading dharrison's post, I'm leaning more towards ZakMcRofl's suggestion. How feasible this would be is beyond me (couldn't program if I had a gun to my head), but the concept seems very sound.

I just hope c4e doesn't see these posts as attacks against his work:|

This post has been edited by amak1131: Oct 30 2009, 04:22 PM

[dbldown768]

look, its not all about checking your backups in abgx.  Its a great tool, dont get me wrong, but its is possible that your burn goes bad and the crc checks do not match.  I for one like having the fw with all the checks.  

Can you imagine all the threads of people complaining that they got their console banned and then start blaming the fw for not checking?  Oh and then try sorting out all those thread to see exactly why people got banned?  Because of all the different fw and people trying to make their own backup, it would be harder to tell if it was just a user error or something else?  Big deal every 6 months you have to update your console - or however many times it is.

You get what you get and be happy at that.  Take 10 mins out of your day to say thanks and update your console if thats what you want to do.

This post has been edited by dbldown768: Oct 30 2009, 04:24 PM

[SpikeMage]

QUOTE(sonic2120 @ Oct 29 2009, 10:56 PM)

Dang it! I told my mom I wasn't coming home this weekend but I might have to now. I have two flashed xbox 360s. One is a Samsung and one is a BenQ. I guess its a sign. I need to build myself a desktop so I don't have to drive the 50 miles to go use her's.

Wait so you're telling us the only person you know within 50 miles of you who owns a computer is your mom? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[jose1901]

QUOTE(FixItOrModIt @ Oct 30 2009, 05:13 AM)

do original wave 4 copies play on older firmware without the activate disc?

Yes the 1.4 does.

I think the 1.61 is the 1.4 file renamed.

[MrMonkey]

QUOTE(jose1901 @ Oct 30 2009, 04:37 PM)

Yes the 1.4 does.

I think the 1.61 is the 1.4 file renamed.

Please post your evidence of this.

[robo989]

QUOTE(MrMonkey @ Oct 30 2009, 05:42 PM)

Please post your evidence of this.

Would make sense...

Assuming 1.61 allows booting of any size video partition then it effectively is 1.41 with a different name?

Otherwise whats the difference?