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[uberd0gg]

QUOTE(modslave @ Oct 17 2009, 12:51 AM)

I love all the firmware checks!
Hell make it as tight as possible to pass a disk...if it don't boot stick the orriginal disc in and stop whinging, hmmm  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

You're missing my point completely. All my games boot fine. I have never had a single disc fail to load on 1.6. I don't need ixtreme to stealth check my discs, yet because the checks are mandatory I am forced to reflash every time a new wave appears.

[run187]

lips number one hits also wave four im told another game i wont be rushing out to buy   ..

[blong579]

i say have 2 firmwares a stealth and a nonstealth and let the flasher decide what he wants to put on his box. after all he can only hurt himself. i woundnt think there would be much work in makeing a nonstealth when you have already made a stealth. seems like you would only need one nonstealth firmware per drive type and the stealth firmwares could be updated as normal. it would give people a choice that way.

[OggyUK]

If its not much work. write it yourself (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Im with c4, stealth, or nothing.

This post has been edited by OggyUK: Oct 17 2009, 10:12 PM

[Toddler]

I can see the points on both sides.  Stealth checks are good for the calves, the bulls don't really need it.  Of course, everyone believes himself to be a bull.

I rip my own games, rip them twice and compare the CRCs.  I do run them through ABGX360, but I never autofix anything.  About a third of my games aren't in the database, anyway.  I don't need stealth firmware.  Honestly, I'd use Xtreme firmware (my 360s have BenQ drives) and be done with this for good, but I don't think C4E ever corrected it for the disc angle bug, and I'd need to reburn many discs to compensate.

Producing a non-stealth firmware version isn't any riskier than the activate.iso, IMO.  And if no one knows whether Microsoft can detect (or infer) using activate.iso, then non-stealth firmware may actually be safer for people who know their rips are good.

If ABGX360 says they're good, I don't need the 360 firmware checking them every time.

[360beast]

in the past, how ling did it take new firmware to come out for the new wave of games, say for wave 3? when should we expect next firmware.

[Cedru]

QUOTE(360beast @ Oct 17 2009, 07:20 PM)

in the past, how ling did it take new firmware to come out for the new wave of games, say for wave 3? when should we expect next firmware.

The New firmware that is compatible with the Wave 4 Partition disks will be available and ready for your download when:







Drum Roll Please....

They are ready to release it and have tested it fully.

This post has been edited by chorizo1: Oct 18 2009, 01:19 AM

[Ree1981]

QUOTE(360beast @ Oct 18 2009, 12:20 AM)

in the past, how ling did it take new firmware to come out for the new wave of games, say for wave 3? when should we expect next firmware.

It'll take 1-2 months I'd say.  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) I'd venture a guess that it'll be released on christmas since they did a similar thing last year (Lite-on flashable).

This post has been edited by Ree1981: Oct 18 2009, 02:33 AM

[Toddler]

Adding validation for a new video partition to the firmware is no comparison to releasing a firmware for a new drive.  There's no way it takes two months to do that.  Not that I'm complaining, but unless he's looking to add other features, just making that modification really shouldn't take more than a few days to implement and test.  The real problem may be that he seems to like coordinating his releases so that all drive firmwares and related tools are unveiled at once, and there have been times when one particular firmware was trickier than others and thus delayed the release for all of us.

[alunfennell]

QUOTE(chorizo1 @ Oct 16 2009, 12:11 AM)

yes you are.

newer firmware is on its way in time. this is the reason he created one shot boot mode, so you can play wave 4 etc. games without having to revert to 1.5.1 for anyone with newer drives. it was in the READ ME etc. if anyone bothered to read it.

I would not count on a fast fix for this at all ! http://xbox-scene.com/

A new iXtreme firmware will eventually be released with strict wave4 support (no activation disk needed), however some time needs to pass before this happens. Although Cars: Race-o-Rama was the first game to appear in the wild with Wave 4 video, it was not necessarily the first game to be pressed with it. Also, during a wave transition there are often a few exceptions to the process which also need to be known about. There will be no timeframe for this, so do not ask.

Simple reason is the life of Wave 3 has been very short ! and if wave 4 is only been used by MS due to some big releases coming out betwen now and just after Christmas ! A wave 5 cound be as soon as Febuary / March which could be worse than having to use a boot disk which seens like been the case for now

[nubianking]

So has c4eva actually said anything yet?

I'm not sure why, but I have great difficulty searching for anything on this forum.

Believe me, I've looked.

[Toddler]

QUOTE(alunfennell @ Oct 18 2009, 08:30 PM)

I would not count on a fast fix for this at all ! http://xbox-scene.com/

A new iXtreme firmware will eventually be released with strict wave4 support (no activation disk needed), however some time needs to pass before this happens. Although Cars: Race-o-Rama was the first game to appear in the wild with Wave 4 video, it was not necessarily the first game to be pressed with it. Also, during a wave transition there are often a few exceptions to the process which also need to be known about. There will be no timeframe for this, so do not ask.

Simple reason is the life of Wave 3 has been very short ! and if wave 4 is only been used by MS due to some big releases coming out betwen now and just after Christmas ! A wave 5 cound be as soon as Febuary / March which could be worse than having to use a boot disk which seens like been the case for now

I agree.  ABGX360 can be updated much more easily and dynamically.  If we are heading into an era where the wave changes every 4-5 months, and it takes weeks each time to update and release new iXtreme firmware to support it, then wouldn't it be preferable simply to remove the checking from the firmware altogether and rely on ABGX360 for verification?

We're already relying on ABGX360 to verify everything that iXtreme checks for, and more.  As long as a rip has been verified by ABGX360, it doesn't need to be verified by the firmware.  Truthfully, if you do things properly, you do not need stealth-checking firmware at all.  If you don't do things properly, it is time to learn to do so.

If there's such concern about users being unprotected, activate.iso leaves them unprotected anyway, so they'd better be doing things properly.  If we're regularly going to be relying on that method, we'll be depending on ABGX360 to verify anyway.  If users are trusted enough to use activate.iso responsibly, why not trust them to use a non-stealth firmware responsibly?

[logicwatch]

If users are trusted enough to use activate.iso responsibly, why not trust them to use a non-stealth firmware responsibly?


 I agree !!!   (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

This post has been edited by logicwatch: Oct 19 2009, 04:49 PM

[WizardlyLou]

I'm a noob... I BELIEVE i Have 1.5.1 since I've never had a problem with Wave 3 games. I also believe I have a Lite-On drive... not sure which if there are more then 1 version... My question is... Does the new NXE update render Wave 3 and below backups useless? Or are those still good to go? I'm aware that Wave 4 probably doesn't work for mine and will probably not bother trying until a new f/w can confirm Wave 4 games working...

[Toddler]

QUOTE(WizardlyLou @ Oct 19 2009, 11:10 AM)

I'm a noob... I BELIEVE i Have 1.5.1 since I've never had a problem with Wave 3 games. I also believe I have a Lite-On drive... not sure which if there are more then 1 version... My question is... Does the new NXE update render Wave 3 and below backups useless? Or are those still good to go? I'm aware that Wave 4 probably doesn't work for mine and will probably not bother trying until a new f/w can confirm Wave 4 games working...

iXtreme 1.51 was supposed to handle all waves without issue by skipping the stealth/partition checks.  Unfortunately, that only seems to be working properly in the Hitachi firmware.  All other iX 1.51 firmwares are not working as designed, so you are correct that you'll have to update.

From the iX 1.51 readme:

QUOTE

Support of future Waves of X360 game disc structures. New partition sizes and video data will be automatically supported and will be allowed to boot.

This represents a possibility of booting a bad backup but now that there is some good tools out there (like abgx360) to check your backups before you boot them, the risk is small.

Strange that the iX 1.51 firmware was specifically released to skip these checks, and the readme says "now that there is some good tools out there (like abgx360) to check your backups before you boot them, the risk is small" but now C4E has apparently dismissed a non-stealth iX 1.6 by stating "strict wave compliance or nothing!"

It's such a shame that the iX 1.51 firmware doesn't work as it was intended.  I think a lot of people would revert to iX 1.51 if that were a viable option.

This post has been edited by Toddler: Oct 19 2009, 05:44 PM