QUOTE(hippo @ Dec 12 2005, 07:48 PM)
When we were feeding our kids Disney we never had incidents like Columbine High EVER. GTA is Howard Stern material marketed for children. Freedom of the press was designed for adults. That game is so morally offensive across the board it deserves to be banned.
Half the marriages end in divorce meaning half the boys growing up have no adult male in the house. You can see this for yourself when your son's friends try to bond with you when they come over to play if you are a male adult. They have no male adult male and trust me they are looking to latch on any male figure they can find. This is the way it appears to me anyway. I hope it's not YOUR son living with your ex wife that's bonding with the male characters from GTA.
When you watch a movie you aren't required to make any adult decisions they've already been made and you can't change anything.
You can have your 7 year old son playing Madden or GTA what's it going to be? Because I've seen 100 7 year olds playin GTA. There shouldn't have to be such a wide range of material available to have a comlete market.
You want freedom of speech? I'll give you some right here. If your an adult and you play GTA and you feel it is meritable and enriches your life you are a fucking idiot. That's freedom of the press.
You know I can't even say I respect your stance, because you typed straight idiocy.
How can you possibly believe a video game is what caused the columbine tragedy. I mean if that's the case then your arguing the kids were properly raised and still made the choice to copy a video game. But now logic tells us if the kids were raised properly there's no way they'd do something like that. Right? think about it long and hard now.
Or look for something to blame god forbid anyone takes responsibility for themselves nowadays, video games that must be it, or howard stern, or jackass the series, or marylin manson, personally i think primetime news is a good choice there's where i see the most violence on tv ... what's that rated by the way? it's not?! ... sneaky bastards.
and yeah these poor kids latching onto any male figure they can find. we should ban video games because of that, why goto the root of the problem and try to figure out why this kid has no father figure in the first place, screw it sew a patch on, have a cup of scotch, rub one out and call it a night.
Problem:
2 parents working full time ->
Kids learn from day care and gain too much freedom too early -> kids have kids and try to raise them as single parents -> rinse repeat and lets see how fucked up our society can get before we fix the actual problem, how many patches can this old pair of jeans really take, especially when they're being sewn on by ignorant fucking morons who roam the earth like a horse with blinders
QUOTE(peteer01 @ Dec 13 2005, 02:57 AM)
Here's a question, how many of you would have a problem with GTA if you could kill children?
How many of you would have a problem with GTA if you had to kill children?
How many of you would have a problem with GTA if you could rape women?
How many of you would have a problem with GTA if you had to rape women?
Hell, if you're still not offended, how many of you would have a problem with GTA if you could rape children?
The point is, there is a limit. There needs to be a limit. Why is it okay to have a game that you probably can't beat without killing police officers, and yet it would not be legal to publish a game that included most of the scenarios above?
The argument of "first amendment rights" and "freedom" are great when you enjoy the game...at what point are you willing to say there needs to be a limit? Should a game with all of the above be allowed because of the first amendment? You're not really killing children, and you're not really raping women...just like you're not really killing police officers.
This is a far more extreme example than I would normally post, but the more subdued comments are very much drowned out by the people defending GTA.
FWIW, I think GTA games are fun, and I think they should be sold as AO. At what point is fornication less acceptable than killing police officers?
Just my $.02.
the problem with that is how many people would buy the game if it had those things in it (most of them anyways?) without a market to sell to there's no game right? and the fcc can regulate it if they see fit which in those cases i'm sure they would, and i also agree there is a line but i don't think we've encountered a game that crosses it yet, gta might come relatively close. by the way how many kids have killed cops since the gta release, do we really think that's the problem.
regardless though, even if a game did contain the scenarios you posted, how many of those do you think would be copied because of the game itself? or would we suddenly just start blaming child molestation on video games now too?