Topic: Xbox 360 Motherboard Picture? (Read 1524 times)

cwindsor2003 · « **Reply #45 on:** July 22, 2005, 09:28:00 AM »

QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Jul 22 2005, 11:03 AM)

very interesting theory... if the OS/Xbox Guide and Bios were all on the same chip... a simple dash update would wipe out not just the dashboard but your modded bios too

Maybe that is how they will stop TSOP flashes.... Dash updates rewrite the TSOP...? This would be a risk to take... Some people may lose power during this or a bad flash happen...? Also to avoid this I would guess you could TSOP the board (If it has one), Then disable the write points on the motherboard.... As for the pins on the left side of the fan... I am putting my money on that is the LPC.... It looks too much like it to begin with and it it right beside the TSOP (or Flash chip)...

Also this IS the xbox360 board... ALL the ports line up perfect...

Now it is up to MS to fiqure out who opened there DEV kit...

TheSandman87 · « **Reply #46 on:** July 22, 2005, 09:50:00 AM »

depends if, there is a backup TSOP in case of a bad write; to attempt another; a sort of UPS maybe(5 mins max for a larger PSU); a backup of the orginal, partition the TSOP into 64 and 64 just in case of your bad flash via USB (at the factory level or for those who do not have the internet) or vis HTTP/FTP via M$, this would flash very quickly because of the USB 2.0 of course. And all flash updates firmware/dash would be on a high packet priority from M$, as well these updates would be there for your HD DVD Rom or standard DVD, im sure this is all possible, any other ideas guys? tell me if im way too far fetched here...just an idea

This could be the death of the modchip, suggesting that we obtain the "means" of flashing the TSOP via USB, which could render modchips useless because of the large Flash size, including the abilty to partition the flash for an "on/off switch"

TheSandman87 · « **Reply #47 on:** July 22, 2005, 09:58:00 AM »

btw...this could be the begining of "high speed" USB 2.0 bootable modchips, a new breed of modders!

leorimolo · « **Reply #48 on:** July 22, 2005, 10:00:00 AM »

There will always have to be a way to mod this bich. The M$ devs have to make the bios and test them. So there are devs points, maybe threw pbl. Also the os stored on tsop?wtf.

LEo

cwindsor2003 · « **Reply #49 on:** July 22, 2005, 10:01:00 AM »

Think about it.... Flash Drives are going for $25 - for 256mb....

I think that is very possbile....

xaser · « **Reply #50 on:** July 22, 2005, 10:43:00 AM »

hmm.. correct me if I am wrong but M$ put some thought into their 1.6 to hide their TSOP somewhere else (I am not sure but some say it was in the video chip) so why would they go straight back into putting it in an independant TSOP again? Maybe this is what the dev kit looks like, but I think when retail will come out M$ would hide the TSOP again making cheapmods (TSOP flash) close to impossible.

xboxmodder4life · « **Reply #51 on:** July 22, 2005, 10:47:00 AM »

QUOTE(xaser @ Jul 22 2005, 12:47 PM)

hmm.. correct me if I am wrong but M$ put some thought into their 1.6 to hide their TSOP somewhere else (I am not sure but some say it was in the video chip) so why would they go straight back into putting it in an independant TSOP again? Maybe this is what the dev kit looks like, but I think when retail will come out M$ would hide the TSOP again making cheapmods (TSOP flash) close to impossible.

HAHA who told you MS hid the TSOP on the 1.6 The chip it's on cant be rewritten the bios is on a non rewriteable chip. IT can only be written once. I'm not sure why MS didnt do this from the beggining.

xaser · « **Reply #52 on:** July 22, 2005, 10:48:00 AM »

well.. by hiding it i ment removed what we knows at the TSOP chip, where is the TSOP in the 1.6 then?

TheSandman87 · « **Reply #53 on:** July 22, 2005, 10:50:00 AM »

but think of this...if there ever was a problem with the bios when the box ships; what would M$ do if they couldnt reflash their own chips? seems to be a bit redundent

halofreak007 · « **Reply #54 on:** July 22, 2005, 11:01:00 AM »

QUOTE(leorimolo @ Jul 22 2005, 12:11 PM)

There will always have to be a way to mod this bich. The M$ devs have to make the bios and test them. So there are devs points, maybe threw pbl. Also the os stored on tsop?wtf.
LEo

sooner or later there will be a way but i doubt its going to be easy...

twistedsymphony · « **Reply #55 on:** July 22, 2005, 11:08:00 AM »

QUOTE(cwindsor2003 @ Jul 22 2005, 11:32 AM)

Maybe that is how they will stop TSOP flashes.... Dash updates rewrite the TSOP...? This would be a risk to take... Some people may lose power during this or a bad flash happen...? Also to avoid this I would guess you could TSOP the board (If it has one), Then disable the write points on the motherboard....

I keep hearing people say "it could be a risk" but you all seem to forget that even if the power goes out during a routine dash update on a current gen xbox it becomes a very large paper weight.

Sure we as moders could fix it but to Average Joe gamer it's just as broken.

My guess is that if MS was really concerned there would be an emergency backup bios that either takes over in the case that the main bios gets messed up... or perhaps there is a secondary static bios that's whole purpose is to flash the main bios, that way it can never die...

mirx999 · « **Reply #56 on:** July 22, 2005, 11:11:00 AM »

No security is foolproof...that's all i have to say really.

You know, I'm gonna go ahead and agree that there will probably be some sort of battery backup in the "enormous" PSU that this thing's gonna have. It would probably save MS a lot of money in the long run, and most PSU's these days are small, so there really isn't any other reason for the thing to be enormous. maybe that's why the kid said he couldn't take pics of the PSU.

nj12nets · « **Reply #57 on:** July 22, 2005, 11:17:00 AM »

i actually had an idea - instead of updating it via internet i think maybe what theyll do is download the data to a seperate part of the tsop and then once its complete and verified it falshs the actual chip over - this would kepe from bad or incomplete flashes

bucko · « **Reply #58 on:** July 22, 2005, 03:47:00 PM »

QUOTE

well.. by hiding it i ment removed what we knows at the TSOP chip, where is the TSOP in the 1.6 then?

Imbeded with Xlycops (spell?) chip with the EEPROM so if you even try and flash it you nuke your box.

fasmanza · « **Reply #59 on:** July 22, 2005, 04:00:00 PM »

I allmost cryd out in joy when I sow that pic it has a TSOP OMG!!

But then I thought of four reasons why:

1 Maybe they are using a DRM like protection enbeded in the CPU,this would make flashing the tsop with modefied software useless considering that it would just get blocked out by the prosesor becouse it is not sighned.....most likely.

2 They might heavally change the board layout and screw us.....unlikely.

3 It migh only be a small part of the bios probebly the part that migh need updating in the futere,the rest of it(protection ect...) might be inbeded in the CPU.....possible.

3 MS might be stupid and we will see a hacked bios in the first week made by someone like team Xecuter.....wishful thinking.

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