Topic: Is Getting A Dev Kit Illegal? (Read 376 times)

DChalo123 · « **on:** December 13, 2008, 03:42:00 PM »

I want to get a dev, demo, or debug kit. But i dont want to go online with them or use them to make games. I want to stay offline and mod games for myself. I dont want to use it to make games or anything just for myself and not for the public. Do you guys think i can be caught and what is the fine

m_hael · « **Reply #1 on:** December 13, 2008, 10:47:00 PM »

afaik buying a devkit without being MS accredited is against licensing agreements and thus illegal... not sure if its illegal on your side of the sellers side... but the top of the chain would indeed need to be a developer or publisher breaking their own agreement with MS in order for you to buy the kit in the first place.

i would stay away from it.... even between developers selling / buying kits without going through 1st party is not advised.

Libtoem · « **Reply #2 on:** December 14, 2008, 12:07:00 AM »

Well most of the 360 dev/debug kit that people sell are usually stolen in the first place and MS has every right to get them back if needed as they have before but I would not even worry.I have had xbox 1 dev kits,360 dev kits and I never had any problems with MS.

Also you can't make any games if you don't have the 360 sdk and going on PartnerNet(dev xbox live) is pretty much safe.

Millerboy3 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 14, 2008, 12:08:00 AM »

wow i didnt know that much went into getting a dev kit

m_hael · « **Reply #4 on:** December 14, 2008, 12:53:00 AM »

i've been developing for them for just over 10 years now...

what really goes into getting a devkit is trust...

if you can convince MS to trust you, they will let you buy one.

it takes a lot to get them to trust you, you have to be a registered developer and have credentials that they deem sufficient as well as being able to pay the cost...

similarly for sony.

Libtoem · « **Reply #5 on:** February 02, 2020, 06:33:00 PM »

Yea but Nintendo is more anal.

m_hael · « **Reply #6 on:** February 02, 2020, 07:13:00 PM »

not from what i found... i was a gamecube sku lead for 4 years before x360... didn't ever have issues with them.

Dark Seraph · « **Reply #7 on:** February 02, 2020, 08:20:00 PM »

It isnt per say Illegal to own a Devkit, It does break the Developers Contract if they Sell Kits but Sometimes when A Development house like EA chicago closes Sometimes kits just get strung out in every which way.

its not like cops or anything will ever come to your house, The most ive ever heard about is somebody put there devkit on ebay and had a picture of the serial number. They had Midway Calling them the next day asking for there kit back.

m_hael · « **Reply #8 on:** February 03, 2020, 08:58:00 AM »

dark seraph... you're almost right in that police won't come knocking at your door.

the way the agreement works is, you "buy" a kit from 1st party. What you ACTUALLY buy is the license to develop on said kit. First party can at any point request the kit back and as the person who bought the license you are then legally obliged to return it.

this is why selling them from developer to developer is difficult, as 1st party still has to transfer to the license over. That license is linked directly to the Mac address of the unit.

When a developer like EA Chicago closes (I was there btw) devkits can sometimes slip through the cracks. In effect what this means is that the IT dept didn't do their jobs properly (being laid off, who would) so didn't follow up on all assets. Eventually EA will and any kits not found will be hunted down.

so... if you have bought a kit from a source that was not first party expect at some point in the future that your kit will be reclaimed... with no remuneration.

m_hael · « **Reply #9 on:** December 16, 2008, 05:11:00 PM »

QUOTE(DChalo123 @ Dec 16 2008, 04:02 PM)

How will they know you have it?

because eventually they all get reclaimed... when they go to the original buyer they will ask where it went... if that buyer cannot give details then they get blacklisted; not 100% mind.. but eventually the requests for devkits will be denied.

it is highly more likely that the orginal buyer will tell them where it went... 1st party will follow the train.

i've also heard of reclaims being done purely on IP Tracing...

DChalo · « **Reply #10 on:** December 18, 2008, 08:16:00 AM »

m_hael · « **Reply #11 on:** December 18, 2008, 08:58:00 AM »

QUOTE(DChalo @ Dec 18 2008, 09:52 AM)

BUMP

why?

DChalo123 · « **Reply #12 on:** December 18, 2008, 06:45:00 PM »

QUOTE(m_hael @ Dec 18 2008, 05:34 PM)

why?

Well if i get a dev then move to michigan they will never know!

red_ring_of_box · « **Reply #13 on:** December 18, 2008, 07:16:00 PM »

QUOTE(Millerboy3 @ Dec 18 2008, 09:44 PM)

They will if u ever ever ever connect it to an internet connection via its unchangable mac address

lol ya man I was just about to say that, make sure if you have any lil brothers or sister as well they don't get at it cause you know how stupid little kids can be with revealing stuff you'd rather not have big companies like MS or EA finding out. Like take for instance you have friends over or your little borther/sister comes into your room and their like OMG 360LOLOL!!!111@! and plug it in so they can play on XBL then Booom MS straight up ur ass. I don't really know if that could happen but just trying to generalize to broaden the dangers of having an XDK, not that I have 1 but if I did I certainly wouldn't go around talking about it.

Cheers

m_hael · « **Reply #14 on:** December 19, 2008, 01:05:00 PM »

believe it or not... your dad working for MS and you having a Devkit is even worse than normal. MS are a corporation and they WILL punish those who steal from them. While its not direct in your case (I hope) it is up to your father to return the kit to them... if you get caught, your dad gets caught with you.

not a good situation to put your father in at all.

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