QUOTE(jaydr @ Jun 1 2011, 02:29 AM)
no offence mate but wheres your proof it isnt? only ONE organisation can provide the definitave answer to this and im pretty certain we will never find out.
for all anybody outside of m$ knows they could already know about all the modified xboxes on live. and for all we know this could be a case of "we know you have a modified dvd drive, but if you take this update and never tamper with the firmware again, you can continue to use XBL"
on the other hand c4e's firmware could be undetectable, but the point im trying to make is generally speaking WE will never really know one way or the other
cheers
jay
I just had to toss my 2cents into this response.
C4e knows exactly what he's talking about. The amount of knowledge required to circumvent protection is extreme and you must be able to not only disassemble the code, but understand it to be able to get past it. Xbox live changes all the time, hence the reason for the monitoring that is done. When C4E tells us the firmware is undetectable, he is 99.999% To this date this hasn't been proven wrong.
There were a few instances that made people think the firmware was readable, but it never was.
Instance 1) Back when Iextreme caused mass bans for thousands people speculated over and over the firmware was detectable even when C4E said it wasn't. He was 100% correct as well. He provided people two different types of firmware. 1) was stealth, and the other was non stealth. I'd say 90% of the population used the stealth firmware. He told us a long time ago that the firmware wasn't detectable, however improperly burned games would be. I myself stuck with the non stealth version because I trusted my own backups. Downloads are very dangerous and the wrong download could land you a ban. The only reason he made a stealth version was for the new users who didn't understand the concept of how important a 1:1 copy was. He also knew most people download there games since most don't have a drive to back it up, so he created a stealth version. If you were banned from this its your fault for using it. He never guarantee's anything, but that doesn't mean he's not smart enough to know whats going on.
I have a launch system with a sammy ms25 that has missed every ban wave. Why, its because I use non stealth firmware and backup my games properly. The Stealth firmware was detectable by microsoft. When i say detectable thats exactly what i mean. They couldn't read the firmware, they could only detect the stealth version since the stealth version input fake responses for stealth to allow games that wern't properly stealth to be un detectable on live. Microsoft picked up on this. If you had a 1:1 properly copied game with a non stealth firmware you didn't get banned since the game had the correct stealth files responses that match the originals.
The Fat drives are unreadable, even today. The new firmware release from microsoft is confusing to most, but to people who have understood everything till now know microsofts tactics. Microsoft created a new drive format to 1) help fight piracy 2) to help get rid of all the users wouldn't have ever flashed there xbox if they knew how much trouble it would be. So the new update did multiple things. They figure if they flash the drive back to stop most of the users who know nothing about flashing would just give up and buy games since they now can flash the drive at every update to create an inconvenience for those users.
If microsoft could have read firmware on fat drives then the non stealth version of extreme would have caused users to also get banned (there were some, who played games that were either downloaded or incorrectly backed up there game because of a bad stealth). On top of that a few weeks later Lite came out. If it was detectable there would have been another ban wave shortly after.
Now the new slims are readable, which C4E also stated to everyone. These guys are really smart and know what there doing.
If you think the new update is proof that they can read the firmware your wrong. The firmware can not be read, but the OSIG from the drive can. Its the same with your pc, if its plugged in jungle flasher can see what drive it is without reading the firmware. What the new update does is very simple. Microsoft found a way to at least write to the drives via an update. They found a way to keep the key intact while doing so. The update reads the Drives OSIG then flashes the update file according to that drive.
The proof is with spoofed drives. I have a (benq fat) in my xbox that has been spoofed since my second xbox's lite on failed. I only put the benq in because I got it for free. It was spoofed as well and I still didn't get hit in the last ban waves. Recently I found out that a spoofed drive fails the update. The reason for this because of the update. It reads the OSIG and sends the correct firmware to the drive. In my case the xbox reported back as a lite on drive, thus failing the update. Once I took the spoof off the drive and put it back in the xbox it flashed perfectly fine, and I got the correct benq firmware as well. All i did was insert my key into the benq OFW firmware and it worked. On top of that spoofing is no longer required since the update allows the drive to play originals without a spoof. I'm not sure if this is 100% safe though, It depends on microsoft and why they turned of the requirement for a matching OSIG.
My theory on Microsoft's decision is based on the actual cost to refurbish xbox 360's. Since microsoft refurbishes thousands of xbox's it wouldn't be cost effective to have a small number of older drive to be reproduced. Its also not cost effective for microsoft to pay employees to re-flash every Nand to match the new drive either. Its cheaper and better for microsoft to be able to simply pop in a new drive. This is effective for 2 reasons. 1) Since the newest drive is mass produced its cheaper for them to make 2) since the drives are newer it gives them a fight chance against piracy.
C4E has yet to be proved wrong, but feel free to learn C+++ programing and hacking to decode the xbox 360's protection your self and provide proof that he's wrong. So far all the proof that I've seen confirms his theory that the xbox 360's (fat drives) are not physically capable of being read from the xbox its-self.
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