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[1hotjob]

I have read somewhere that the read/write needs to be done at 1x or 2x.

Is everyone doing this or are you leaving it at the default max speed with no problems? I have only done my two games. I can't remember if I ripped GOW at the max speed or not. I was playing and got a disk error. Thinking i may have written it too fast, I burned the ISO still on my PC at a slower speed. While playing multiplayer, it got the error again. I am going to try to re-rip it today at a slower speed to see if that is the difference.

[sosotiit]

Hi 1hotjob,

You may want to look at this post. These situations are not common and most original read good left at default speed (which i am pretty sure with XBCr is not necessarily Max). I tried for fun various speed always with the same good results when the disk is in good condition.
If you extract blocks that are not good, you will get a message that there is a read error. Maybe redline will confirm, but would see no reason it does not use some kind of extensive CRC on blocks of data.

Since the game starts the image structure and ss must be good, might be a media issue? are you using verbatim? Note you can also validate your image against the burn here.

hope it helps,
have a good one,
soso

[Redline99]

The app has no way of telling if what the drive gives it is correct or not.  If the drive gives the status of a good read then it is assumed that it was good.  On a xbox360 rip you should never encounter any read errors under normal situations.  The recommended read speed is 12x.

For burning the recommended write speed is the rated speed of the media, usually 2.4x.

[sosotiit]

thanks for the feedback,

just want to be sure I get it OK , if the DVD is not able to reconcile the CRC (and error corrction code) of a block (or sector?? not sure how small it is extracted) it will tell your app it cannot extract it properly and you will know of the error. But what you are saying is that  you have no way of double checking if that error (or lack of) is really there and must thrust what the drive tells you. Just to be sure.

thks, soso

[The Bison]

Nice one D70. I've used the drivers you recommended (v.5.2a) and I am now able to perform backups.
Cheers

[headonism]

hi all does any1 know why i cant backup my battlestations :midway
i had the same prob with star trek

this is what im getting:-

Unable to determine the used bytes of the current partition

read failed


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Xbox Backup Creator v2.3 Build:0185 By Redline99

Found ODD: PIONEER DVD-RW  DVR-111D 1.29 at [D]
   Additional Info: 06/08/10  PIONEER
Found ODD: TSSTcorp DVD-ROM SH-D162C TS04 at [E]
   Additional Info: XB360 KREON V0.80
Found ODD:  DVD RW  DVR-MCC 1.11 at [F]
   Additional Info: 04/09/07  PIONEER
   Unable to determine the used bytes of the current partition
Getting media info [E]
   Unable to determine the used bytes of the current partition
   Media Type: CD-ROM
   Bytes Used: 0 bytes
Starting read process...
   Cancelling due to unknown partition
Getting media info [E]
   Unable to determine the used bytes of the current partition
   Media Type: CD-ROM
   Bytes Used: 0 bytes
   Read failed
   Unable to determine the used bytes of the current partition
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[col_klink]

I will also confirm the 5.2a drivers.  They are the latest drivers you want.  5.3 and 5.4 throws off this program, and possibly others as well.  It was not allowing me to read from the disc until I manually unlocked the drive, after which I could not read the video partition.  Once I installed the 5.2a drivers, it works perfectly.  You may want to put that in the readme, redline.

[sosotiit]

@headonism
Very possible, it seems many of the new games have that,

If that is the probblem then there is a thread on how to backup Star Trek Legacy and other games with the newer Video partition.

This is a temporary situation, as redline mentionned in this thread he is working on a solution.

rgds,soso

[headonism]

thanks soostiit for getting back....was beging to think that no-one cared LOL

any as for that link im really struggling with this because im a total noob

i have :- XBOX360 SS Merger 1.7

and need isobuster will try getting this but if u know of where it is more likley i can reach it then the
help would be really appriated

[sosotiit]

just to tease you a bit, you need to check the pinned of a section  
Findind Pc Tools And Utilities For The X360 & where (READ BEFORE YOU ASK).
rgds,soso

[headonism]

Ha sorry my bad......

any hows thanks v. much for ur help i think i may have had some progress, ive been reading something u were saying with someone else and i think in there i a possible way to actually do it with xbox creator v2.3
here is a transcript of the conversation...... and thanks again sosotiit [U DA MAN]

chaospie  Dec 23 2006, 03:44 AM Post #12  


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 I've been having the same problem all day. I also have a Samsung SH-D162C. I tried using Schtrom 3.1 and got nothing. Then i tried XBC v2.3 and was able to get an iso, 6.80 GB. I did this by going to the Drive Tools tab and unlocking the drive (The program says that the drive is already unlocked). But when i look at the "bytes used" info it changed from 5.32MB to 6.81GB. Then I went into the READ tab and selected current partition. Clicked start and was able to get an image.

Questions:
1. Is this image patched? (SS, PFI, DMI, video.iso?)
2. How can i get all these files?
3. What should i use to inject the image to make it 7.05GB?

Please help thanks.

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 It seems you have the game.iso only.
The only other one you absolutely need is the SS, and you can extract it with Xbox creator in the drive tools. you can get DMI and PFI as well at the same place if you want (not mandatory).
WIth SS merger you select the two files (or four), choose pad with blanks, do not select NME compatible and then do merge, and burn. (as per message above you can also use the Isobuilder that can with the firmware package).
rgds, soso

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[sosotiit]

it is one of the two methods, press unlock twice in XBCr (Drive tools tab),
then back to Read tab to do start, you will get the Game partition.
Then extract separately SS, DMI, PFI in drivetools and merge in ssmerger.

rgds,soso

[jeweladdict]

WinXP Pro
Samsung SHD163A flashed with Kreon

I've backed up a ton of games already, but I can't seem to back this one up. I get to around 42% and then it says read failed and asks if I want to fill it with zeros... I hit retry but it keeps failing, so i hit fill with zeros and it keeps popping up... does this mean my original disk is bad?

Here is the log:

====================================================================
Xbox Backup Creator v2.3 Build:0185 By Redline99

Found ODD: PIONEER DVD-RW  DVR-111D 1.29 at [D]
   Additional Info: 06/08/10  PIONEER
Found ODD: TSSTcorp DVD-ROM SH-D163A SB00 at [E]
   Additional Info: XB360 KREON V0.80
Found ODD: NR3203S TRA100Z 1.0 at [G]
Found ODD: NR3203S TRA100Z 1.0 at [H]
Found ODD: NR3203S TRA100Z 1.0 at
Getting media info [E]
   Media Type: DVD-ROM
   Bytes Used: 6.87 MB (7,206,912 bytes)
Starting read process...
   Target Xbox version = Xbox360
Space Available on Drive C:\ 3.01 GB (3,230,072,832 bytes)
Space needed 7.05 GB (7,572,883,456 bytes)
Not enough space available on drive C:\. Operation cancelled.
Getting media info [E]
   Media Type: DVD-ROM
   Bytes Used: 6.87 MB (7,206,912 bytes)
   Read failed
Starting read process...
   Target Xbox version = Xbox360
Space Available on Drive C:\ 13.6 GB (14,649,163,776 bytes)
Space needed 7.05 GB (7,572,883,456 bytes)
Creating backup image [E]
   Opening image output file
   Processing Video Partition
   Processing Filler Sectors
   Inserting TAG information
   Processing PFI Sector
   Processing DMI Sector
   Processing Security Sector
   <-- Security Sector Details -->
   Source Drive: Kreon                          
   
   Header
   --------------------------------------
   E10F31100004FB2000FB04DF0020339F              
   
   CPR_MAI Key
   --------------------------------------
   7CF5597C                                      
   
   RT CID MOD DATA          Drive Response
   -- --  --  ------------- -----------------
   03 87  00  04A9B0 04B9AF D4B9D666 62EE0AD9    
   01 18  00  20D7F0 20E7EF 2FE9F663 AEDFC709    
   03 85  00  DF85F0 DF95EF 85A4F63C 521B0307    
   01 AB  00  FB5B70 FB6B6F 97B418F1 A1732A68    
   07 FC  00  04A9B0 04B72F 0ACAA7FE 00000000    
   05 48  00  20D7F0 20E56F 1C41D8BB 5A000000    
   07 CD  00  DF85F0 DF936F 10C882C1 B5000000    
   05 31  00  FB5B70 FB68EF E3DA9D9D 0F010000    
   E0 EC  00  651341 A752FF 00000000 00000000    
   ------------------------------------------
   Unlocking Game Partition
   Checking Game Partition Availability
   Processing Game Partition
   Reading XDVDFS File system
   Reading Volume Descriptor
   Processing Directory Table at sector 1769745
   Sorting Section Map
   Optimizing Section Map
   Summary ----------------------------------------------
      Section Mappings:      626
      Section Mappings Opt:  4
      Directories:           38
      Files:                 585
      Sectors in use:        3,491,439
      Total File Bytes:      6.66 GB (7,149,894,594 bytes)
      Last File Sys LBA:     3566023
Setting SH-D163A error mode to 0x00
   Manual retry at Partition LBA: 1574416
   Unrecovered read error in file system area.
   File: ind03_VS.ull at Partition LBA: 1574416
   Unrecovered read error in file system area.
   File: ind03_VS.ull at Partition LBA: 1574417
   Unrecovered read error in file system area.
   File: ind03_VS.ull at Partition LBA: 1574418
   Unrecovered read error in file system area.
   File: ind03_VS.ull at Partition LBA: 1574419
   Unrecovered read error in file system area.
   File: ind03_VS.ull at Partition LBA: 1574420
   Cancelling do to read errors
Action: Read Error Partition LBA: 0x00180615 (1574421)
Sense Error: 5 / 64 / 00
ILLEGAL MODE FOR THIS TRACK
CDB: READ(10)
0x28 00 00 18 06 15 00 00 01 00 00 00
   A total of 5 sectors were zeroed out.
   A total of 5 file system sectors were zeroed out.
Getting media info [E]
   Media Type: DVD-ROM
   Bytes Used: 6.81 GB (7,307,001,856 bytes)
   Read failed
Starting read process...
   Target Xbox version = Xbox360
Space Available on Drive C:\ 10.4 GB (11,156,746,240 bytes)
Space needed 7.05 GB (7,572,883,456 bytes)
Creating backup image [E]
   Opening image output file
   Processing Video Partition
   Processing Filler Sectors
   Inserting TAG information
   Processing PFI Sector
   Processing DMI Sector
   Processing Security Sector
   <-- Security Sector Details -->
   Source Drive: Kreon                          
   
   Header
   --------------------------------------
   E10F31100004FB2000FB04DF0020339F              
   
   CPR_MAI Key
   --------------------------------------
   7CF5597C                                      
   
   RT CID MOD DATA          Drive Response
   -- --  --  ------------- -----------------
   03 87  00  04A9B0 04B9AF D4B9D666 62EE0AD9    
   01 18  00  20D7F0 20E7EF 2FE9F663 AEDFC709    
   03 85  00  DF85F0 DF95EF 85A4F63C 521B0307    
   01 AB  00  FB5B70 FB6B6F 97B418F1 A1732A68    
   07 FC  00  04A9B0 04B72F 0ACAA7FE 67010000    
   05 48  00  20D7F0 20E56F 1C41D8BB 5A000000    
   07 CD  00  DF85F0 DF936F 10C882C1 B5000000    
   05 31  00  FB5B70 FB68EF E3DA9D9D 0E010000    
   E0 EC  00  651341 A752FF 00000000 00000000    
   ------------------------------------------
   Unlocking Game Partition
   Checking Game Partition Availability
   Processing Game Partition
   Reading XDVDFS File system
   Reading Volume Descriptor
   Processing Directory Table at sector 1769745
   Sorting Section Map
   Optimizing Section Map
   Summary ----------------------------------------------
      Section Mappings:      626
      Section Mappings Opt:  4
      Directories:           38
      Files:                 585
      Sectors in use:        3,491,439
      Total File Bytes:      6.66 GB (7,149,894,594 bytes)
      Last File Sys LBA:     3566023
Setting SH-D163A error mode to 0x00
   Cancelling do to read errors
Action: Read Error Partition LBA: 0x00180610 (1574416)
Sense Error: 5 / 64 / 00
ILLEGAL MODE FOR THIS TRACK
CDB: READ(10)
0x28 00 00 18 06 10 00 00 01 00 00 00
Getting media info [E]
   Media Type: DVD-ROM
   Bytes Used: 6.81 GB (7,307,001,856 bytes)
   Read failed

[sosotiit]

good chance you original is not great.
if you have a samsung in your x360 you could try it like that.

look at the following post.

rgds,soso

[PrOLiNe]

My money is on disc is scratched or dirty. I had one other day, scratches on it were next to nothing, but still got errors until I threw some compound on it and spun a buffer over it until it was shiny as hell, and copied fine after that.