QUOTE(Misterturtle @ Nov 10 2009, 06:22 PM)

But hopefully with c4eva's new firmware coming out they will never reach that number.
Yeah, right.
Every version of firmware released has been cocooned in this myth about stealth and safety and protecting the users. And every ban wave that comes along proves those claims to be utter bulls--t.
If anyone actually believes this new firmware is going to be ban-proof, then give me a call because I have a really nice bridge I'd like to sell you.
Props to c4eva for the firmware and keeping it updated for each new wave of games that comes out. But it is what it is, hacked firmware to allow backups to be played and that will never be safe.
QUOTE(bananaboi @ Nov 10 2009, 07:32 PM)

This is actually bad for Microsoft in the long run.. although many will buy another xbox, i bet most will just cancel their monthly membership with xbox live and stick with offline gaming
Which is exactly why MS has upped the ante and is resorting to corrupting user data and disabling non XBL functionality (and who knows what else) when they ban now.
QUOTE(nozafuji1 @ Nov 10 2009, 08:08 PM)

If you owned a store for example, and it was continually being broken into by thieves, would you just let it keep happening, or would you invest in some type of a security system?
Yes, a store owner is allowed to install a security system. No, a store owner is not allowed to booby-trap their store to kill anyone attempting to break in.
Personally, I don't give a damn about MS banning consoles or accounts. Perfectly with-in their legal right to do so. The problem is, that so many around here fail to grasp is, that MS has gone beyond what is legal and taken to vigilante tactics that violate numerous international internet & computer laws. IE: Corrupting user data & disabling NON XBL functionally on property that is not their's.
And while it is apparently mentioned in their TOS, it doesn't make it any more the legal (hey, if their TOS said they reserved the right to murder your mother, they can't come to your house, kill her and then wave their TOS at the police and be let go with no charges). Law comes first - various terms, conditions and provisions in the TOS are illegal - TOS is null & void.
QUOTE(nozafuji1 @ Nov 10 2009, 08:03 PM)

I think this is headed to a point where people are simply going to have to choose between backups or live.
That's the way it worked last console generation. And quite frankly, is the way it should have been since day one of this console generation.
Don't know why, but this console generation has been really messed up. Between the hackers going out of their way to dumb everything down so much that even a retarded monkey can mod a console, which has only served to drive piracy rates up which in turn is resulting in the hardcore backlash from the industry - to users that insist that they must go on live with a modded console...

None of this would be happening now if everyone hadn't decided to throw away the common sense rules of modding that we all had been following in every previous generation. Why on earth was there such a radical change in thinking among everyone this time? It leaves me wondering if there wasn't some world-wide pandemic of a stupidity virus that coincided with the 360's launch.
It's a shame too, because it's really hurt the scene. It's brought piracy back into the spotlight and is showing that modding is more about widespread piracy for the masses then anything else. It's infuriating because after the Xbox1 & Game Cube, there was finally some progress being made in "proving" that modding wasn't about piracy (Xbox1) and that piracy wasn't effecting the industry (GC). All shot to s--t because of the incessant spoon feeding of every idiot and their dog this go 'round.
To that end, again, I don't care that MS is banning people. Glad to hear it. If you go on line with a modded console, you deserve it. You're the ones ruining things for the rest of us. But I sure in hell don't condone MS for their illegal vigilatism either that is obviously driven purely by revenge and boosting 4thQ sales and not any legitimate attempt to stem piracy. What MS has resorted to is wrong & illegal. Plain and simple. Sony didn't get away with their extreme attempts to protect their intellectual property, and what they did was just a drop in a swimming pool compared to what MS is doing now. I'll be honestly surprised if they don't end up in a court somewhere by the end of the year because of it. It's not as if MS doesn't have alternate legal options available to them they could use. All MS had to do was stick to them. They didn't so they deserve to get their asses handed to them over this, just as Sony did.