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haqtiq

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Rumour: Insider says MS Plans to Ban 1M Console
« Reply #60 on: November 10, 2009, 07:28:00 PM »

QUOTE(CardnalSyn @ Nov 11 2009, 01:35 AM) View Post

Since you obviously haven't payed attention, its has nothing to do with one game. I haven't even played MW2 and haven't been on live since Aug and i still got banned. So while ur clowning people, please be advised that you are still at risk. As far as buying another 360, fuck it. Ill wait until all this stuff is sorted out and there is an undetectable firmware or whatever. Until then, ill still play backups, and if i want anything that badly (like MW2) ill buy it for PS3.



And since you didn't get  the point of my post, I'll elaborate.

I'm not downing anyone, I am just stating my opinion on how to get this ban wave over as fast as possible, to save the rest of us from the impending death.

Now that said... I'm not scared of the ban wave, but like everyone else unbanned, I don't WANT to get banned.


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« Reply #61 on: November 10, 2009, 07:28:00 PM »

I will try for another Xbox 360, just so I can use up the rest of my XBL. But if that gets banned, the PS3 is really looking like a nice option if I want to go legit and play online.
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« Reply #62 on: November 10, 2009, 07:35:00 PM »

I'm calling BS on these number's and this article.  The insider source is a CS rep?  LOL

CS rep's are nothing but script readers with very little information.  They would not in any way shape or form tell them "we are shooting to get to a million bans".   It does nothing for their job to say that and they are in no way involved with the banning of systems, they basically just play defense for the angry customers who call in.
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Rumour: Insider says MS Plans to Ban 1M Console
« Reply #63 on: November 10, 2009, 07:41:00 PM »

QUOTE(PerfectGun @ Nov 10 2009, 06:35 PM) View Post

I'm calling BS on these number's and this article.  The insider source is a CS rep?  LOL

CS rep's are nothing but script readers with very little information.  They would not in any way shape or form tell them "we are shooting to get to a million bans".   It does nothing for their job to say that and they are in no way involved with the banning of systems, they basically just play defense for the angry customers who call in.


agreed - 5 pages of response is a bit overboard for a a Philipines blogger reporting on heresay from a phone bank csr who likes to talk and just happens to work for a service that has a contract with m$
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Rumour: Insider says MS Plans to Ban 1M Console
« Reply #64 on: November 10, 2009, 07:45:00 PM »

People who pirate games aren't hardcore gamers and are likely not additively shell out lots of $$$ to just get on live again.

I know plenty of people also would LOVE a modded console so they don't haft to ruin there originals all the time, but that's illegal too.

I also know people whom would love to get rid of dvds all together, all of these people are not pirates and pay MS money but just want more freedom on how they use there property, or should I say protect their property from damage etc..

Saying that I never buy a game till I play it first, you could say go rent it but renting is not cheap and hard here because of limited stock..

Anyway I question wether this mass banning will really benefit M$ at all as it just pushes certain groups to find new ways around it.

They are tossing millions of dollars in keeping their product expensive and exclusive while banning people but they should focus on getting the game prices down as low as possible, the royalties they take from them are just pathetic, here in NZ is $140NZD for COD6, and money doesn't go as far here either.
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« Reply #65 on: November 10, 2009, 07:48:00 PM »

Just thought I would add my 2 cents. I dont have a problem with M$ banning me from live, it’s part of their TOS and I broke it fair enough. However I dont like the fact that they are now crippling my device (HDD usage). Luckily I already have a PS3 and love it, the xbox was purely because I could mod it and acquire games. However, now I will just use my xbox for offline titles (those that I don’t care about the online content) and buy the games I want online for my PS3 (BF:BC2 is going to rock!)
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« Reply #66 on: November 10, 2009, 08:17:00 PM »

QUOTE(siyrobbo @ Nov 11 2009, 12:26 AM) View Post

i got banned.  Just ordered a new elite and im never going to mod my console again. For me the 360 is only half a console without live


I have never been on live, and I enjoy the living shit out of my modded 360.
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« Reply #67 on: November 10, 2009, 08:18:00 PM »

I love these dumb comments about..."If I'm going to go legit then I'll go ps3"  pleaseeeeeeeee.....if you were able to pirate games on the ps3, most of you guys would of gotten one long ago...and those talking about not playing on live on the xbox 360 anymore and such...sureeeeeeeeee...once the new firmware gets released...I wonder who will come running back like a rabid dog buying a new xbox 360 right away and praising c4eva like a king again....
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fatvince

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« Reply #68 on: November 10, 2009, 08:22:00 PM »

QUOTE(trentdadi @ Nov 11 2009, 01:31 AM) *

Apparently now is the time if 600k people have really been banned so far.  Think about it... the price of a new game is 60$.  If all 600k of them people pirated one game, that would be a 36,000,000$ loss  (Saying each person only pirated one game is being very kind, think how quickly it adds up if that 1 game turns into 10).  Banning 3% of their customer's consoles is a loss they are probably plenty willing to take.  They are only protecting themselves AND all the companies who develop games for their consoles.  I personally applaud Microsoft for these bans.


You're not factoring the thousands or hundreds of thousands of 360's sold only because they could be modded. Like every other person in this thread who says they're going to get a PS3 instead.

Or myself, who would never have bought one could I not play backups. Never been on live, never wanted to, never going to.
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« Reply #69 on: November 10, 2009, 08:22:00 PM »

Wow, front page news, really? The source is some guy's ugly blogger template sporting the headline "Filipino Cosplayers and Pinoy Otakus will find the best articles in Pinoy Cosplay. Join GamerTotoy and his friends as they explore the Philippine cosplay community and talk about what they see every day." What a joke.

Having said that, those numbers don't surprise me. Arcades are dirt cheap now and I'd be willing to bet that at least half of those banned users will go out and buy a new console, maybe several. That's not a bad turnover and it's money in the bank for Microsoft. Huge bans mean huge console sales and happy developers. It's a win/win and Microsoft knows it.
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« Reply #70 on: November 10, 2009, 08:27:00 PM »

QUOTE(Narbo @ Nov 11 2009, 02:06 AM) View Post

Regarding the Wifi adapter, I think it is possibly the biggest rip off ever.  As someone who works with embedded networking products I can tell you the BOM (Bill of Materials) for that adapter is probably in the $10 range and I would not be surprised if I were overestimating it by several dollars.

Selling it for $100 is nothing short of criminal.


That figure looks right to me.
I read earlier that it costs around $5 to make the adapter, so $5-$10 seems right to me.

I seriously don't see how they justify charging this much.

QUOTE(timstim @ Nov 11 2009, 02:16 AM) View Post

thats ok because im already playing on a new console that micrsoft bought me.


Do tell how MS bought you a new console smile.gif
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« Reply #71 on: November 10, 2009, 08:37:00 PM »

If you want to keep playing, but still stick it to Microsoft just buy used consoles.

Sure I had a console or two get banned, but I bought them broken for like $30 a piece.  Shoot I already sold my banned ones for $100 a piece locally.

Don't let bannings stop you.  RISE ABOVE!
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« Reply #72 on: November 10, 2009, 08:44:00 PM »

QUOTE(AllSewnUp @ Nov 10 2009, 10:37 PM) *

If you want to keep playing, but still stick it to Microsoft just buy used consoles.

Sure I had a console or two get banned, but I bought them broken for like $30 a piece.  Shoot I already sold my banned ones for $100 a piece locally.

Don't let bannings stop you.  RISE ABOVE!


Craigslist?
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« Reply #73 on: November 10, 2009, 08:48:00 PM »

QUOTE(Misterturtle @ Nov 10 2009, 06:22 PM) View Post
But hopefully with c4eva's new firmware coming out they will never reach that number.

Yeah, right.

Every version of firmware released has been cocooned in this myth about stealth and safety and protecting the users. And every ban wave that comes along proves those claims to be utter bulls--t.

If anyone actually believes this new firmware is going to be ban-proof, then give me a call because I have a really nice bridge I'd like to sell you.

Props to c4eva for the firmware and keeping it updated for each new wave of games that comes out. But it is what it is, hacked firmware to allow backups to be played and that will never be safe.

QUOTE(bananaboi @ Nov 10 2009, 07:32 PM) View Post
This is actually bad for Microsoft in the long run.. although many will buy another xbox, i bet most will just cancel their monthly membership with xbox live and stick with offline gaming

Which is exactly why MS has upped the ante and is resorting to corrupting user data and disabling non XBL functionality (and who knows what else) when they ban now.

QUOTE(nozafuji1 @ Nov 10 2009, 08:08 PM) View Post
If you owned a store for example, and it was continually being broken into by thieves, would you just let it keep happening, or would you invest in some type of a security system?

Yes, a store owner is allowed to install a security system. No, a store owner is not allowed to booby-trap their store to kill anyone attempting to break in.

Personally, I don't give a damn about MS banning consoles or accounts. Perfectly with-in their legal right to do so. The problem is, that so many around here fail to grasp is, that MS has gone beyond what is legal and taken to vigilante tactics that violate numerous international internet & computer laws. IE: Corrupting user data & disabling NON XBL functionally on property that is not their's.

And while it is apparently mentioned in their TOS, it doesn't make it any more the legal (hey, if their TOS said they reserved the right to murder your mother, they can't come to your house, kill her and then wave their TOS at the police and be let go with no charges). Law comes first - various terms, conditions and provisions in the TOS are illegal - TOS is null & void.

QUOTE(nozafuji1 @ Nov 10 2009, 08:03 PM) View Post
I think this is headed to a point where people are simply going to have to choose between backups or live.

That's the way it worked last console generation. And quite frankly, is the way it should have been since day one of this console generation.

Don't know why, but this console generation has been really messed up. Between the hackers going out of their way to dumb everything down so much that even a retarded monkey can mod a console, which has only served to drive piracy rates up which in turn is resulting in the hardcore backlash from the industry - to users that insist that they must go on live with a modded console...  blink.gif  None of this would be happening now if everyone hadn't decided to throw away the common sense rules of modding that we all had been following in every previous generation. Why on earth was there such a radical change in thinking among everyone this time? It leaves me wondering if there wasn't some world-wide pandemic of a stupidity virus that coincided with the 360's launch.

It's a shame too, because it's really hurt the scene. It's brought piracy back into the spotlight and is showing that modding is more about widespread piracy for the masses then anything else. It's infuriating because after the Xbox1 & Game Cube, there was finally some progress being made in "proving" that modding wasn't about piracy (Xbox1) and that piracy wasn't effecting the industry (GC). All shot to s--t because of the incessant spoon feeding of every idiot and their dog this go 'round.  grr.gif

To that end, again, I don't care that MS is banning people. Glad to hear it. If you go on line with a modded console, you deserve it. You're the ones ruining things for the rest of us. But I sure in hell don't condone MS for their illegal vigilatism either that is obviously driven purely by revenge and boosting 4thQ sales and not any legitimate attempt to stem piracy. What MS has resorted to is wrong & illegal. Plain and simple. Sony didn't get away with their extreme attempts to protect their intellectual property, and what they did was just a drop in a swimming pool compared to what MS is doing now. I'll be honestly surprised if they don't end up in a court somewhere by the end of the year because of it. It's not as if MS doesn't have alternate legal options available to them they could use. All MS had to do was stick to them. They didn't so they deserve to get their asses handed to them over this, just as Sony did.
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« Reply #74 on: November 10, 2009, 08:58:00 PM »

I would have thought it makes sense to go ban crazy now, they have a supposedly undumpable drive in new units, they nuke all the modded consoles out there, up their Christmas sales of consoles by a few hundred thousand to keep their inflated 'consoles sold' figures (that never take the dead consoles into count)

Surprised they are disabling game installs etc. that is legally risky, I guess they are counting on anyone being to scared to challenge them on it.
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