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[torbjorn]

banning xboxes and taking away key thing should be illegal cuz its rendereing the value of the xboxes.

SOMEONE SUE THEM!!!!!!

NOW!!!!!!!!!

im banned ,and i most of the time played halo original, and because i had one bad odt rip i shall pepunished since i also have the original??

the neggaxbox have already scratched the shit out of my dvds so wht??

[marlboroa]

well i have not had my xbox online in 2 years because i didnt have a internet line where the 360 was and i didnt have the wireless addapter. today i climbed in the attic and ran a cat 5 line to it finally.  turned it on and im banned.  oh well i didnt play it very much anyway.  the last game played on it was call of duty 4.

[mat82284]

QUOTE(marlboroa @ Nov 12 2009, 02:13 AM)

well i have not had my xbox online in 2 years because i didnt have a internet line where the 360 was and i didnt have the wireless addapter. today i climbed in the attic and ran a cat 5 line to it finally.  turned it on and im banned.  oh well i didnt play it very much anyway.  the last game played on it was call of duty 4.

That is strange. You were probably banned from the previous ban without ever knowing it since it was 2 years ago lol.

[dokworm]

QUOTE(BenJeremy @ Nov 12 2009, 02:45 AM)

Good info, and it seems that C4Eva already made the discovery which your sacrifice confirms.

Microsoft has devised a method for detecting a hacked drive. A more interesting test would have been to not run ANY game discs in it.

Please note people... inferring the presence of hacked firmware is NOT the same thing as directly readng it. Nobody who knows this stuff would claim that. It's always been about inferring the existence of hacked firmware, whether it's detecting poison pill releases, or seeing bad rips with 'valid' but incorrect security sectors.

What is different this time, is that Microsoft has figured out how to tell the difference without a backup being inserted. It could be something as simple as activating a response with a "secret knock" that s triggered based on the order and number of challenges, or a matter of timing/jitter data that is consistently different between a hacked drive and original firmware.

The claim, all along, has only been that Microsoft has no DIRECT way of detecting the firmware. All of the queries to IXtreme firmwares respond with the same responses expected from original firmwares. Now that Microsoft has made some changes, C4Eva has examined the changes, and found something that Microsoft was seeing.

I'm a bit troubled by several reports of unmodded consoles getting banned though.... that smacks of the infamous "angle bannings" that was not a foolproof method of detecting hacked drives (since legit drives with weaker optics could return a 360 angle). That would point to Microsoft using a group of timings to detect differences between drives, and they may be relying on ranges of values that simply aren't tight enough to exclude legitimate users with failing optical drives.

What the hell, I'll get another console today and mod it and sit it online with no discs at all having been in it, and see what happens. I can't use live for gaming anyway because of the crappy internet I have, and I really want to know if they can do this. I'll use the extra box for linkplay.

-DW

[tracy2420]

QUOTE(DemisesAngel @ Nov 10 2009, 11:57 PM)

There are shit ton of people that play on live and are addicted to it. We all know Leaf, XBConnect and XLink Kai suck! .
 

You shouldnt knock on Kai and XBConnect.  At least they are free.  Alot of hard working people put in a lot of time making it for some people like you to use.  They deserve our respect.

This post has been edited by tracy2420: Nov 12 2009, 03:42 AM

[johnnie360]

Its beyond my understanding. I believe theres a problem and it is being solved. thats the name of the game. saved alot of money, and will continue to do so.

Its just perplexing that the guy who got me into all of this is still not banned. he is on all the time.

I read him some of this stuff and he speculates some tall tales by users on here. I dont know where I satnd. I know over the course of two years I had been sloppy. I got banned when there was no disc in the drive, after playing earlier in the day. In the long run Im just singing rehashing the same jibberish thats on here time and time again. But I was shocked to hear he hasnt been banned and playing now.

Hes just very careful.

Rips physical discs
ABGX verifie only. doesnt verifie re rips it until it does. auto fix zero.
Slow burn on verbatims
Re Check iso after burn
all played games installed to hd

Everyone on here can say what they havent done. But they may be liying. and dammit I know what hes done, and everyone around me except for him has dropped like flys.

[SpikeMage]

QUOTE(torbjorn @ Nov 11 2009, 06:11 PM)

banning xboxes and taking away key thing should be illegal cuz its rendereing the value of the xboxes.

SOMEONE SUE THEM!!!!!!

NOW!!!!!!!!!

im banned ,and i most of the time played halo original, and because i had one bad odt rip i shall pepunished since i also have the original??

the neggaxbox have already scratched the shit out of my dvds so wht??

Well, at least some good came of this ban wave.

[mat82284]

QUOTE(SpikeMage @ Nov 12 2009, 03:10 AM)

Well, at least some good came of this ban wave.

+1

[ThugPlayer05]

Well I just got banned. All my back-ups were verified with ABGX360. I had firmware 1.6 and used activate.iso to boot MW2 so I'm pretty sure thats where the banhammer got me. Oh well. I think Wal-Mart might still be doing the $200 Arcade with $100 gift card.

[fluffyduffy]

QUOTE(torbjorn @ Nov 12 2009, 03:11 AM)

banning xboxes and taking away key thing should be illegal cuz its rendereing the value of the xboxes.

SOMEONE SUE THEM!!!!!!

NOW!!!!!!!!!

im banned ,and i most of the time played halo original, and because i had one bad odt rip i shall pepunished since i also have the original??

the neggaxbox have already scratched the shit out of my dvds so wht??

damn right someone should bc of their ban my xbox is permanatly stuck on E71 and E79 errors and if i do get passed it all my games freeze origional and backups. we paid for the hardware it is our property to do as we please with if we violated their online TOS then their ban is justified but disabling of ANY software or hardware of the xbox is in VIOLATION OF OUR RIGHTS

[Miguell]

Every year its more difficult to fight banhammer.

They always do their job.

Last year they did it... And this year they did it to...

It means we get always fucked.. and of course we dont have any fuking chance..
 
Soon or later they we always get banned...

P.S: every backup was check before and after burned by abgx level 3. And before i download it wasnt nuked.

We dont have any chance...

[mhouldey]

QUOTE(cvdd1234 @ Nov 12 2009, 12:37 AM)

i dont download games and i want the right to back up my originals thats all, i should'nt get banned for doing it. ive had more than 5 games scratched to the point of never playing again due to the xbox 360 itself.

I agree.  The thing is, how does one differentiate between people playing legitimate backuos and people playing pirated games? I mean, how would the technology work?  I don't see how it can.  They know this, therefore they just ban everyone, as it is probably the case that the vast majority are playing pirated copies.

[Narbo]

QUOTE(mhouldey @ Nov 12 2009, 10:21 PM)

I agree.  The thing is, how does one differentiate between people playing legitimate backuos and people playing pirated games? I mean, how would the technology work?  I don't see how it can.  They know this, therefore they just ban everyone, as it is probably the case that the vast majority are playing pirated copies.

They don't/can't.  That's what C4Eva means when he says the firmware is 'undetectable'.  It behaves and responds in a manner identical to the original.

Unfortunately, by now I think it's pretty clear that Microsoft has developed some sort of software algorithm which can detect the presence of modified firmware.  They do this by either querying the drive or by querying other system characteristics.  If you can find even a single instance where the modified firmware consistently behaves different then the original (and it would appear they have) then it's game over.

[Zod5000]

QUOTE(Narbo @ Nov 12 2009, 03:30 PM)

They don't/can't.  That's what C4Eva means when he says the firmware is 'undetectable'.  It behaves and responds in a manner identical to the original.

Unfortunately, by now I think it's pretty clear that Microsoft has developed some sort of software algorithm which can detect the presence of modified firmware.  They do this by either querying the drive or by querying other system characteristics.  If you can find even a single instance where the modified firmware consistently behaves different then the original (and it would appear they have) then it's game over.

That's what I figure.  They might not be able to dump the firmware, but if they can send commands to the drive and it does something its not supposed to do, they'd be able identify the modded drive.

It brings up more questions:

1) can people who never used live for gaming avoid the ban.. ie never went on live without originals or backups in the drive.  People who just went on live to buy arcade games or dlc.  Which is where I fit in, and I wasn't banned as of Saturday.  Which might still indicate the command MS is sending to the drive is disc related, allthough not dependent on a backup (might happen on original as well).

2) can a new firmware be written to close the bug.  the fact a new firmware is on the works indicates it can.  Which would seem to indicate they can't dump the firmware, as if they could dump it, a hash check would identify the firmware.

[tracy2420]

What really would be funny is if Windows was able to identify if a 360 drive was connected to the pc and then used some sort of algorithm to tie it to a database of code stored on their servers somewhere.  It would then find some unique code and match it with your online profile.  I know, its sounds crazy but what if?