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[RichMR2]

QUOTE(mhouldey @ Nov 11 2009, 06:49 PM)

Is it OK to dislike MS for other things, like selling HDDs for an unreasonable markup?  Or is the rule, 'One cannot dislike MS for any reason or I will flame thee'?  I just want to know how to avoid being told off by you, as you're really tough and scary and I don't like it.  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Who was flaming or telling off? I was pointing out that this whole forum is full of cry babies who are upset that they got caught breaking the rules and banned. I also didn't say it's not OK to dislike MS, but those who are complaining about being banned and now will move over to PS3 purely to stick it to MS are living in dream land, MS wont even notice them gone.

Microsoft banned you for breaking the terms of the agreement you agreed to. Get over it, I have.

[Ranger72]

QUOTE(mhouldey @ Nov 11 2009, 04:13 PM)

Just to let you know, it would be a total waste to mod. a 360 and not play backups on it.  There is no point.  Also, if they could detect FW, then everyone would be banned, unless you are saying that they have pruposefully chosen not to ban people.  Those are the two choices.  Either they can detect FW and are choosing not to ban certain people (as there are PLENTY of people still on Live with modded boxes) or they can't detect FW, and hence, for whatever reason, some boxes slip through the net (flagging processes).

You might aswell pick an option at random, as we cannot prove either of them.

Why do people continue to believe they can detect the firmware directly? Mod a console and never put a backup in it and it will stay safe on Live since the firmware CANT BE DETECTED DIRECTLY!

However by detecting backups they are in a way detecting the firmware indirectly.

[gAm3 Fr3aQu3]

QUOTE(mitsu50 @ Nov 11 2009, 02:46 PM)

ah, i miss the days of xbox1, you switch you xecuter chip ON, and play your copies happily offline. then switch your chip OFF, and play your originals on XBL.

and if you are drunk playing with your friends one night, and forget to switch your chip off, and get yourself BANNED, you can just grab someone elses box, and copy their EEPROM to yours, and voila, back online!

Its all offline play for me for now!!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

LMAO, that's exactly what happened to my friend's XBOX when one of our roomates came back from a frat party all drunk and then played Halo 2.

[thund3rstruck]

QUOTE(amak1131 @ Nov 11 2009, 01:18 AM)

Rofl, not sure what I wanna say. I'll just simply put that downloading a game is not equal to stealing. Even that short of a response is too dignified for that comment.
Looks like M$ was waiting and caught many of us with our pants down. Not too much to worry about, though. The modders always win and they will once again. I'm confident that c4eva will be releasing a big "f you!" to M$ soon enough:D

Oh please c4eva works for Microsoft; he's the lead engineer for R&D in new markets. This is corporate strategy materialised in the biggest way and all of you fell for it hook, line, and sinker.  

[mhouldey]

QUOTE(thievesscene @ Nov 11 2009, 09:35 PM)

You guys are the biggest fucking idiots around.  You steal and then get mad that you get caught.  I can't wait for you morons to start a lawsuit.  "Yes your honor, I was stealing games but they have no right to stop me. I can do whatever I want."  I bet MS is really sad that a bunch of lazy thieves are not going to steal from them anymore.  "I bought tons of stuff off marketplace, now I'm going ps3".  You losers aren't going anywhere because you can't hack the ps3.  You would have to peel your fat bodies off the recliner, get out of mommies house and get a job.  Then actually PAY for your games.  Later virgins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LMAO.  Retard alert!

[x6411]

http://news.bbc.co.u...ogy/8354166.stm

[mhouldey]

QUOTE(RichMR2 @ Nov 11 2009, 10:39 PM)

Who was flaming or telling off? I was pointing out that this whole forum is full of cry babies who are upset that they got caught breaking the rules and banned. I also didn't say it's not OK to dislike MS, but those who are complaining about being banned and now will move over to PS3 purely to stick it to MS are living in dream land, MS wont even notice them gone.

Microsoft banned you for breaking the terms of the agreement you agreed to. Get over it, I have.

I'm not banned, you drug-addled nutcase.  Stop acting like you know anything about me, son.

Also, here's a simple question for you:  Do you think that the price MS charges for HDDs is reasonable?

No nonsense, just answer the question.

QUOTE(dokworm @ Nov 11 2009, 10:23 PM)

Just to let everyone know, the Jasper I decided to mod just to test this theory was banned this morning.

Here is what I did. Took my un-modded Jasper, opened it up and took out the liteon drive. Powered it up in my PC (built a power supply cable so that the PC powered it up) and used a home-made probe to read the drive. Flashed it with Jungle flasher. The procedure was pretty straight forward after a few attempts at getting the tray in the right position.

Put the drive back into the 360, and plugged it into live. Played nothing but original discs, Beatles Rock Band, Viva Pinata, , Geometry wars and Guitar Hero. It has been online for about a week, and got nuked today.

So it has never had a backup in it, only ran an original 20GB hard drive from and RROD launch console and was never powered up without the DVD-ROM attached.
Just thought the info might help, really wasn't expecting it to get banned though, guess I'll write it off to taking one for the team.

QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Nov 11 2009, 10:41 PM)

Why do people continue to believe they can detect the firmware directly? Mod a console and never put a backup in it and it will stay safe on Live since the firmware CANT BE DETECTED DIRECTLY!

However by detecting backups they are in a way detecting the firmware indirectly.

I hear you, Ranger72, but how on Earth do you explain people like dokworm?  He has posted that a newly flashed console which has seen no backups has been banned.  Are you categorically accusing him of lying?

QUOTE(thund3rstruck @ Nov 11 2009, 10:49 PM)

Oh please c4eva works for Microsoft; he's the lead engineer for R&D in new markets. This is corporate strategy materialised in the biggest way and all of you fell for it hook, line, and sinker.

I assume you have proof of this.  After all, only a severely brain-damaged person would post such a thing without having any evidence.  Ah, hang on...  

[catman25]

as being a good member here can you please help me with a question .
i was banned but i have a friend that has a unmodded 360 ! i want to trade him my modded banned one for the unmodded one but worried about hdd corrupt ! . is it only when you take the hdd out of the banned 360 and put it in a non banned one will it corrupt? or does it corrupt after every game you play ? the reason ? the dude dont have internet and would have no way to redownload his profile . ! im thinking as long as he uses banned 360 and doesnt try to put hdd in a new 360 it shouldnt corruptthe profile  right

[STICKY_BUD]

oh man, i just read a news article on msnbc called:
MS Plans To Ban 1 Million Consoles

i wont bother to link to it!


i am sure that m$ will ban every console possible, but nobody knows how many and since reporter had no comment from an m$ spokesperson, she must be also publishing this same phillipines heresay.

[signal-to-noise-ratio]

QUOTE(STICKY_BUD @ Nov 11 2009, 06:53 PM)

oh man, i just read a news article on msnbc called:
MS Plans To Ban 1 Million Consoles

i wont bother to link to it!
i am sure that m$ will ban every console possible, but nobody knows how many and since reporter had no comment from an m$ spokesperson, she must be also publishing this same phillipines heresay.

It would be interesting if ms/nbc had the inside scoop. But I agree I think they are just publishing the rumors like cnn and everyone else. It does say "according to the company." though. Huh. Seems like rumor might be true.

Just noticed some interesting wording here. "Anywhere between an estimated 600,000 and 1 million players who use Microsoft's Xbox Live gaming service will be cut off from the service because they have modified their game consoles or played games that were illegally downloaded from file-sharing sites, according to the company."

[SpikeMage]

QUOTE(trentdadi @ Nov 10 2009, 04:31 PM)

Apparently now is the time if 600k people have really been banned so far.  Think about it... the price of a new game is 60$.  If all 600k of them people pirated one game, that would be a 36,000,000$ loss  (Saying each person only pirated one game is being very kind, think how quickly it adds up if that 1 game turns into 10).  Banning 3% of their customer's consoles is a loss they are probably plenty willing to take.  They are only protecting themselves AND all the companies who develop games for their consoles.  I personally applaud Microsoft for these bans.

Thats assuming all of those people will now buy new consoles and start buying legit games. The ban doesnt stop people from playing pirated games, just stops you from playing them on live. I'd say it's a safe bet that most banned consoles will still be playing pirated games. However those same people will not be bombarded with advertising and don't even have the option of spending money on live. You say they're portecting all the companies who develop for their console but what about the guys making XBLA games and other DLC? Suddenly there are a million less potential customers.

Personally I have not been banned, and i'm not going to be as I don't plan on connecting to live ever again. Removing banned consoles from their network is fair game. Im ok with that. But disabling functionality and denying customers access to content they have already paid for is crossing the line. As others have stated I'll just be doing my online gaming on PS3 from now on.

[cvdd1234]

i dont download games and i want the right to back up my originals thats all, i should'nt get banned for doing it. ive had more than 5 games scratched to the point of never playing again due to the xbox 360 itself.

[mat82284]

http://news.cnet.com...adStoriesArea.1

Wow they hit 1million!

[CardnalSyn]

QUOTE(foxhunt99 @ Nov 11 2009, 01:02 PM)

I own both PS3 and Xbox 360, I am glad to pay for XBL any day, it is far better than PSN service.  You get what you pay for. Only good thing about PSN is that it is free.

PS Networks offers game downloads and netflix. Seriously, who cares about downloading wallpaper (that you have to pay for) and other useless content?? XBL is no better than PS Network...

[BenJeremy]

QUOTE(dokworm @ Nov 11 2009, 05:23 PM)

Just to let everyone know, the Jasper I decided to mod just to test this theory was banned this morning.

Here is what I did. Took my un-modded Jasper, opened it up and took out the liteon drive. Powered it up in my PC (built a power supply cable so that the PC powered it up) and used a home-made probe to read the drive. Flashed it with Jungle flasher. The procedure was pretty straight forward after a few attempts at getting the tray in the right position.

Put the drive back into the 360, and plugged it into live. Played nothing but original discs, Beatles Rock Band, Viva Pinata, , Geometry wars and Guitar Hero. It has been online for about a week, and got nuked today.

So it has never had a backup in it, only ran an original 20GB hard drive from and RROD launch console and was never powered up without the DVD-ROM attached.
Just thought the info might help, really wasn't expecting it to get banned though, guess I'll write it off to taking one for the team.

Good info, and it seems that C4Eva already made the discovery which your sacrifice confirms.

Microsoft has devised a method for detecting a hacked drive. A more interesting test would have been to not run ANY game discs in it.

Please note people... inferring the presence of hacked firmware is NOT the same thing as directly readng it. Nobody who knows this stuff would claim that. It's always been about inferring the existence of hacked firmware, whether it's detecting poison pill releases, or seeing bad rips with 'valid' but incorrect security sectors.

What is different this time, is that Microsoft has figured out how to tell the difference without a backup being inserted. It could be something as simple as activating a response with a "secret knock" that s triggered based on the order and number of challenges, or a matter of timing/jitter data that is consistently different between a hacked drive and original firmware.

The claim, all along, has only been that Microsoft has no DIRECT way of detecting the firmware. All of the queries to IXtreme firmwares respond with the same responses expected from original firmwares. Now that Microsoft has made some changes, C4Eva has examined the changes, and found something that Microsoft was seeing.

I'm a bit troubled by several reports of unmodded consoles getting banned though.... that smacks of the infamous "angle bannings" that was not a foolproof method of detecting hacked drives (since legit drives with weaker optics could return a 360 angle). That would point to Microsoft using a group of timings to detect differences between drives, and they may be relying on ranges of values that simply aren't tight enough to exclude legitimate users with failing optical drives.