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[afhaaljap]

QUOTE(jlgreen420 @ Nov 4 2009, 11:02 PM)

What would really be fucked up is if you bought a used console that had been flashed but hadn't been banned yet.  If you didn't know it had been flashed, and had only been playing retail games and then got banned.  I would be pissed.

my friend got that, he got to play xbl for 1 month. But he got banned, then he checked the seal, it was broken. He asked me to take a look at it: it didn't have ixtreme firmware on it, but it had a samsung m28 spoofed to m25 (with original firmware), maybe the spoof caused the ban?

[Flook]

Add me to the list of bans.  Just modded mine about a month ago.  I played a few backups on it but only borderlands the last couple weeks.  It wasn't even hooked into live until two nights ago and did a console update.  After that I watched some netflix but borderlands was in the drive.  Last night turned on the 360 and tried to sign onto live and said I was banned.

Hitachi drive 1.51 firmware.

[Merumeru]

Banned: No
XBox: XP i dunno
DVD Drive version: Lite-On
Age of console: No idea XP
HDD size: 20GB
HDD official or fake: Official
Country: USA
Used Activate.iso?: Yep
Played Wave 4: Yep
Wave of the last game played: 4
Played an early release: XD yah not logged in on any profile though with no HDD connected
Received Achievement on Early Release: Nope
Last played games: Tekken 6, Bakugan, MW2
Allways verfied Games: Nah XP if its a game i really wanna play and it aint verified, ill take the risk

[bluemeane]

I have a question for everyone....

So if they have been corrupting Games saves... Now these are game save, and not profiles, etc...

But if so, can the do that legally? I mean the games saves, are not intellectual property of MS, and they aren't owned by them. They are ours, and we put the time into said games to create those saves... I don't see how they can legally do that. Also does the XBL Agreement state that you will lose HDD install ability if you get banned for breaking the rules of the agreement? Because the ability to install the games is something that they advertise as part of the XBOX 360's abilities when you buy it. And you dont need to go online for it to work, so it isnt tied to live in any way.

So if it isn't stated in the agreement that we agree to when we pay for live, then they cant legally take away a advertised feature of something we paid Microsoft for, unless they refund part of what we paid for it.

Am I right?

[seven2099]

QUOTE(bluemeane @ Nov 8 2009, 10:11 PM)

I have a question for everyone....

So if they have been corrupting Games saves... Now these are game save, and not profiles, etc...

But if so, can the do that legally? I mean the games saves, are not intellectual property of MS, and they aren't owned by them. They are ours, and we put the time into said games to create those saves... I don't see how they can legally do that. Also does the XBL Agreement state that you will lose HDD install ability if you get banned for breaking the rules of the agreement? Because the ability to install the games is something that they advertise as part of the XBOX 360's abilities when you buy it. And you dont need to go online for it to work, so it isnt tied to live in any way.

So if it isn't stated in the agreement that we agree to when we pay for live, then they cant legally take away a advertised feature of something we paid Microsoft for, unless they refund part of what we paid for it.

Am I right?

you might wanna QQ because its ALL in their ToS agreement. In another thread (i dont wanna go look for it i'm too lazy) some guy copy pasted verbatim and linked to read ToS.. clearly states they can even "legally" (according to the ToS) disable/modify stuff on your computer (YOUR COMPUTER!!! I know?!!??! WTH!!!) if it means improving their services or keeping their services safe.

so yeah. QQ QQ

Least my xbox wasnt banned and will NEVER go on live again. Gonna do the XeLL hack and just run linux on it for kicks.

HA! a linux machine that actually runs games flawlessly..!!? On MS hardware.. take that!

[garyopa]

QUOTE(bluemeane @ Nov 8 2009, 10:11 PM)

I have a question for everyone....

So if they have been corrupting Games saves... Now these are game save, and not profiles, etc...

The problem is no one seems to understand clearly, what is happening here.

Your console is banned from LIVE becaused it was clearly modded.

As such to protect the legit users of LIVE, M$ in some cases (not all bans), can REVOKE your ConsoleID, when they do so the following will happen ontop of the ban:

Gamesaves will appear "corrupted" on a legit console, or another ban console, other then you own,
people just don't understand the actual contents of the "GameSave" does not change in anyway,
it does not get "corrupted" by M$, what has happen is your ConsoleID has been REVOKEd by M$,
this means, all other Consoles will not understand your Gamesaves since they were signed by the
original banned console which now has been added to a list of REVOKEd ID's, this list is included in
all future dashboard updates, and gets stored in ever single console out there, to stop you from using
"revoked" gamesaves, etc. on legit untouched console (or for that matter other banned consoles).

You can continue to use all your gamesaves with no problems on your banned console, you just can't
take them to a legit console, since because of the ban, all other consoles have been told not to talk
with a REVOKEd ID, so it will display as corrupted on any other console other then the original ban console.

You can save your gamesaves, by just unplugging your HDD after the banhammer has hit, before playing
any using any gamesave on your banned console, and then deleting your profile on your new legit console,
and then using the recover gamertag function, this will force all your gamesaves to be resigned or moved
over to your new legit console as long as they have not been recently played on your banned console after the banhammer hit it.

This is to prevent you from using your hacked games, or other means on your banned console to increase your gamerscore and to gain new achievements using your banned console.

The logic and common sense is so damm simple, and yet post after post I keep seeing people complaining,
about how can M$ corrupt my stuff, it is my stuff, they have no right, I am going to sue them. -- God I am getting so tried of this stupid posts it is not funny. M$ has ever right, they are protecting LIVE from the thousands of bad apples out there, I am glad people can't cheat and use their banned console to play with their gamesaves, etc. anymore, that is one from a while now, M$ can besides banning REVOKE your ID.

Now to be fair, not everyone that gets hit with the banhammer also gets the REVOKE hammer, you have to be real bad to get both hammers throw at you, and then there is the complete third all powerful hammer, the "gamertag" one.

Now as for the they can't remove features like installing games to the HDD, that is not right. -- In all truth, M$ has not really done that, it is just a side-effect of the REVOKE hammer, because the dashboard needs to sign certain files when copying the game data to the HDD, and the part of the OS it calls looks at the REVOKE list and comes back saying this is not supported. -- M$ might fix that glitch or side-effect in the next dashboard update, but I doubt they are going to put it up on the top of the list just because of a bunch of whining pirates complaining about their banned console.

[CocoaPistolero]

QUOTE(garyopa @ Nov 8 2009, 11:23 PM)

The problem is no one seems to understand clearly, what is happening here.

Your console is banned from LIVE becaused it was clearly modded.

As such to protect the legit users of LIVE, M$ in some cases (not all bans), can REVOKE your ConsoleID, when they do so the following will happen ontop of the ban:

Gamesaves will appear "corrupted" on a legit console, or another ban console, other then you own,
people just don't understand the actual contents of the "GameSave" does not change in anyway,
it does not get "corrupted" by M$, what has happen is your ConsoleID has been REVOKEd by M$,
this means, all other Consoles will not understand your Gamesaves since they were signed by the
original banned console which now has been added to a list of REVOKEd ID's, this list is included in
all future dashboard updates, and gets stored in ever single console out there, to stop you from using
"revoked" gamesaves, etc. on legit untouched console (or for that matter other banned consoles).

You can continue to use all your gamesaves with no problems on your banned console, you just can't
take them to a legit console, since because of the ban, all other consoles have been told not to talk
with a REVOKEd ID, so it will display as corrupted on any other console other then the original ban console.

You can save your gamesaves, by just unplugging your HDD after the banhammer has hit, before playing
any using any gamesave on your banned console, and then deleting your profile on your new legit console,
and then using the recover gamertag function, this will force all your gamesaves to be resigned or moved
over to your new legit console as long as they have not been recently played on your banned console after the banhammer hit it.

This is to prevent you from using your hacked games, or other means on your banned console to increase your gamerscore and to gain new achievements using your banned console.

The logic and common sense is so damm simple, and yet post after post I keep seeing people complaining,
about how can M$ corrupt my stuff, it is my stuff, they have no right, I am going to sue them. -- God I am getting so tried of this stupid posts it is not funny. M$ has ever right, they are protecting LIVE from the thousands of bad apples out there, I am glad people can't cheat and use their banned console to play with their gamesaves, etc. anymore, that is one from a while now, M$ can besides banning REVOKE your ID.

Now to be fair, not everyone that gets hit with the banhammer also gets the REVOKE hammer, you have to be real bad to get both hammers throw at you, and then there is the complete third all powerful hammer, the "gamertag" one.

Now as for the they can't remove features like installing games to the HDD, that is not right. -- In all truth, M$ has not really done that, it is just a side-effect of the REVOKE hammer, because the dashboard needs to sign certain files when copying the game data to the HDD, and the part of the OS it calls looks at the REVOKE list and comes back saying this is not supported. -- M$ might fix that glitch or side-effect in the next dashboard update, but I doubt they are going to put it up on the top of the list just because of a bunch of whining pirates complaining about their banned console.

I don't get it.  How do other consoles know that my console ID is "revoked"?

Similarly, I know that save data will work fine as long as you don't save on a banned console after getting banned.  How does this fit in with your explanation?

[xboxer360]

you'd think if MS did have a surefire way to detect backups, they'd code it into the dashboard and stop them from booting. obviously they can't and they have humans looking for signs of a tampered console, a bit here and a bit there, thats why they don't get everyone.

[seven2099]

QUOTE(xboxer360 @ Nov 8 2009, 11:39 PM)

you'd think if MS did have a surefire way to detect backups, they'd code it into the dashboard and stop them from booting. obviously they can't and they have humans looking for signs of a tampered console, a bit here and a bit there, thats why they don't get everyone.

Lol are you serious?

an unmodded console has piracy protection on it, so people cannot boot backups... so.. your point is?

the modders have shown MS what they think of their anti-piracy methods and for years have escaped their grasp..  by creating modified firmware so that it CAN boot backups.

Don't think for a second the banning has stopped because it hasnt mang. Best bet is to stay offline because now you know its just a matter of time before u get banned..

Plus the real answer to your question bud, banning = good for buisness in there eyes. Stopping backups from booting, they already do that the moment you buy an xbox but it doesnt stop some people. Banning people, and severely discouraging them from trying it again shows developers that they can still trust the solidity of the xbox360 platform and even if some people go to PS3, its not like they'll be missed. The amount of modders vs Legit users = peanuts for Microsoft.

[seven2099]

QUOTE(harveytator @ Nov 9 2009, 01:15 AM)

Hi there guys,i have a question.I have several xboxs and i had my u.s one banned recently.Im a little confused about the game save corruption and hoped you guys could clear something up for me.I have the new moddern wardare 2 console coming tommorow and i wanted to know if i get the xbox 360 transfer kit and transfer the game saves from my hardrive to the new 250gb one.Will the content still be damaged or will it all work ok???......I havent played any games or saved anyting since the ban so will all my other game saves be good to go.If not i will sell the new console as its no good to me.Many thanks in advance and feel free to flame the newbie and would just really appreciate some clarity.

at the moment I wouldn't even DARE putting my old hd on my new one.. any HDD modificiation = instant ban. There are plenty of people who say they have put their old hdds into their new boxes and all is gravy... then there are many more people who say.. that xbox is now banned.

[goohman]

QUOTE(xboxer360 @ Nov 9 2009, 12:39 AM)

you'd think if MS did have a surefire way to detect backups, they'd code it into the dashboard and stop them from booting. obviously they can't and they have humans looking for signs of a tampered console, a bit here and a bit there, thats why they don't get everyone.

Its business strategy, ban old xbox, consumer might buy a new one, possible repeating of this cycle... M$ is greedy

[slimdagreat]

So they are still doing bans today?

[ste030]

QUOTE(mabuk @ Nov 9 2009, 07:34 PM)

I have images of backups on my hard drive, but only go online to use the Sky Player. I also ensure that no disc is in the tray when I plug in the network adapter.

I have a Samsung drive with 5.2D xtreme FW. So far, all is OK. Are there any indications that the hard drive images from backups are different and detectable even with no disc in the tray?

You can still get banned doing this !!! i'v got banned no game in tray !!

[jkicsak]

running 1.61 benq and all is good.


2 theories :

1.  playing both retail and backups . ( the drive responds differently to the two) making it noticable

2. Disc jitter . sending commands to make the drive react in a way that is not normal



and then maybe this.. my benq is good maybe that has something to do with how they can detect it. its harder to detect fw on benq . maybe

[WOlfSaviorZX]

QUOTE(jkicsak @ Nov 9 2009, 09:56 PM)

running 1.61 benq and all is good.
2 theories :

1.  playing both retail and backups . ( the drive responds differently to the two) making it noticable

2. Disc jitter . sending commands to make the drive react in a way that is not normal
and then maybe this.. my benq is good maybe that has something to do with how they can detect it. its harder to detect fw on benq . maybe

cant be either of those, got one console never played retail and another never had a backup in it yet. Both were benq im afraid.
edit:can anyone explain the banned hard drive thing. How the hell can they ban a unmodded console just cause you use the hard drive of a banned one, if this is true then Im going to ban a lot of ass holes I know I just can't wait if this is true thank you M$.