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[Reaper527]

QUOTE(Zod5000 @ Sep 4 2009, 09:53 AM)

I'm not sure thats entirely accurate?  Doesn't guy who makes the hacked dvd drive firmwares also go through the xbox live logs?  He's often posted if there's any changes in those logs after every xbox update.

As far as I recall the 360 doesn't send any information to live about the discs you play offline?  I think if it did alot more people would be banned by now.  Alot of people use the procedure of playing their backups offline only and originals for live play.

I'm pretty skeptical of your claim, because most post's i've read from c4eva seem to contradict your statement?

i seem to remember reading that the system stores data on games played in an onboard flash chip, and while microsoft isn't currently using that data for bans, they theoretically could in the future. i can't seem to find the quote at the moment though, so i might be confusing a detail.

[nitussi]

QUOTE(crs @ Sep 4 2009, 10:17 AM)

I work at a store that sells games, I bring home many of the games we get early and play them. Must have been atleast 20 games the past years, and some as early as up to a week before the street date. My console is not banned. (It is not flashed though)

Well thats you!! They haven't dropped a ban hammer yet!!

I worked at EB 1 1/2 years ago, me and six others played early releases on unmodded boxes all the time--we all got our xboxes banned during a ban hammer.

This post has been edited by nitussi: Sep 4 2009, 03:25 PM

[xc1234]

QUOTE(jkoz @ Sep 4 2009, 08:27 AM)

So... are gamertags being banned? Or is it just the system? If it's gamertags, I'm never connecting my system even though I didn't play it on my GT since it's linked by console ID... and if I sell it, it's still linked. On the other hand, if it's just my system that would get banned, I'll keep it unplugged for a bit from the internet, and unplug it from the wall for awhile too, throw a bunch of different games in to push the game list down, if it's stored on the 360's flash I guess. Can't think of much else to do.

wow. once u plug ur xbox back to the net. insta ban.

[crs]

QUOTE(nitussi @ Sep 4 2009, 03:22 PM)

Well thats you!! They haven't dropped a ban hammer yet!!

I worked at EB 1 1/2 years ago, me and six others played early releases on unmodded boxes all the time--we all got our xboxes banned during a ban hammer.

Well, as I said, for the past years, as in several years. I probably played the first game early back in 2006. And I still sometimes do. Can't really say I'm worried.  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

[grimmmy]

QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Sep 4 2009, 03:17 PM)

i seem to remember reading that the system stores data on games played in an onboard flash chip, and while microsoft isn't currently using that data for bans, they theoretically could in the future. i can't seem to find the quote at the moment though, so i might be confusing a detail.

I think you're right (can't find a quote either).  Regardless, they must store and transmit a certain amount of data from going from offline onto online.  The minute you drop in online your gamercard updates with everything you've played offline.  Now, as to what they store I've no idea.

As for this whole "playing legit games early and being banned" business.  I'm calling bullshit on that.  I've reviewed games for a forum for about 3 years and they are all retail versions not review copies (they just have the box art stating promo copy).  Never been banned nor had the threat of it.  MS cannot ever monitor who has a game legitimately and who is meant to have it legitimately.

[TehBanStick]

I'm glad I buy/rent my games.

[ampedXR]

I too got my hands on a couple early releases of some EA games, and played them before their release date.
Never got banned.

I'm pretty confident the bans are a result of bad game releases, but you guys shouldn't be downloading these game anyways. If you bought all your games, this thread wouldn't be 2 pages long already.

Buy your games, if you get them early, play them. I'm sure the ban would be reversed if you showed MS your receipts or something.

If you don't break the law you have nothing to be worried about

This post has been edited by ampedXR: Sep 4 2009, 03:46 PM

[cagmere]

QUOTE(nitussi @ Sep 4 2009, 10:22 AM)

Well thats you!! They haven't dropped a ban hammer yet!!

I worked at EB 1 1/2 years ago, me and six others played early releases on unmodded boxes all the time--we all got our xboxes banned during a ban hammer.

That's a complete lie, don't post bullshit here.  You cannot get banned for playing legitimate copies early.

[pholly]

M$ already said they wouldn't ban people for playing this game, then this gets released 3 weeks early. It was probably leaked by M$ purposely to get the people who would be stupid enough to download it early to expose themselves. I knew this was going to happen as soon as I saw it was "leaked" but I think they should have waited until about a week before the game actually comes out so they could have got the most possible offenders but they wanted to be sure they didn't get the wrong people so they did it now since the game shouldn't even be at any retailers yet, at least as far as I know. I know a lot of people say they use custom firmware to play backups but these people obviously downloaded this and are getting what they deserve, if for no other reason than being stupid.

[tokyodrifte]

I think you all need to step back and look at the facts, Stop day dreaming about the number of ways microsoft might ban people...

No one has reported a ban yet
Just keep the copies clean and stealth, This copy is waayy to sticky... im sure its missing bits in the original and then withint hours another group no one has heard of posted a fixed one just padded out.

Wait for relelase dates

Oh and.. please stop posting fantasy storys.. stick to facts.

[Zod5000]

QUOTE(tokyodrifte @ Sep 4 2009, 09:41 AM)

I think you all need to step back and look at the facts, Stop day dreaming about the number of ways microsoft might ban people...

No one has reported a ban yet

Oh and.. please stop posting fantasy storys.. stick to facts.

Thats the paranoia part about being banned.  They don't ban you instantly if they can detect you.  They sit back gather a list of consoles and ban them all simutaenously.  This allows as little time as possible for people stop doing what there doing that is detectable.

It causes people to daydream  If microsoft banned people on the fly (like the xbox1), you'd know pretty quick, the way they've banned 360 customers makes everyone paranoid

[joliverio]

Surely the Halo ODST was a lure, to catch people who cannot wait a few days and put everything inside the console. Ban Hammer is a long time on hold and surely will arrive soon... Especially after Major Nelson words!  

For those who think M$ can detect modded consoles, of course it is a bulshit, if They really can do that They already banned everybody without any mercy. The Xbox-360 "security concept" was proven later on that have a lot of holes, like a swiss cheese, otherwise surely They could detect and ban a modded console. For me, talking about security concept (for the developers of course) the benchmark is the PS3, many years in the market and so far nobody could mod PS3

[amexie]

QUOTE(cagmere @ Sep 4 2009, 02:57 PM)

That's a complete lie, don't post bullshit here.  You cannot get banned for playing legitimate copies early.

err yes you can dont you remember when argos released halo 3 early and people got banned

[Ranger72]

If I was Microsoft and I wanted to catch people with modded consoles I would release a fully working game that most people will do anything to play to a p2p network. I would add some custom code into this game that would wave a red flag on Live saying I am being played on a modded console. Put me on the ban list.

I would take it a step further and add some code to write some data to the Console itself to later upload the red flag warning next time the console logs onto Live.

The poison pill method would be the easiest fail proof way to catch people with modded console.

[snes_83]

QUOTE(wulfie @ Sep 3 2009, 07:12 PM)

Even playing offline can get your 360 banned since it logs everything, even offline play.

Not if you disconnect the hard drive...