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[funksoulbrother]

So you've got no actual figures for me on how much profit they've made from games consoles? Just a link discussing revenue and whether the Entertainment & Devices Division will be profitable in 2008. A large part of the hate behind these ads that are "plastered" (i.e. 1 sponsored competition, lol) all over the dashboard is the assumption that MS are making huge profits in the video games market. If you can show me some proper proof of that, then I might agree with you. Revenue means very little. Sony bring in millions in revenue every week, but their gaming division has posted a loss every quarter since the PS3 was released, leaving them about 5 billion dollars in the hole. Of course if an ad appeared on the XMB, people would call them greedy as well I'm sure.

If you don't like the ads, then vote with your wallet and refuse to pay for Live or sell the console and get a Wii or PS3. Paying for a service after expressing so much hate towards it is kind of a hypocritical thing to do, don't you think? Mind you, you appear to have bought over 100 games for the 360 so you've invested quite a lot of time and money into it.

Another thing that would invalidate any complaint would be if a person isn't actually buying games, they're just downloading them for free (stealing them in other words) - not that there would be many people like that here of course, and I'm not accusing you of it.

[Martinchris23]

QUOTE(funksoulbrother @ Jul 4 2009, 09:47 PM)

So you've got no actual figures for me on how much profit they've made from games consoles? Just a link discussing revenue and whether the Entertainment & Devices Division will be profitable in 2008. A large part of the hate behind these ads that are "plastered" (i.e. 1 sponsored competition, lol) all over the dashboard is the assumption that MS are making huge profits in the video games market. If you can show me some proper proof of that, then I might agree with you. Revenue means very little. Sony bring in millions in revenue every week, but their gaming division has posted a loss every quarter since the PS3 was released, leaving them about 5 billion dollars in the hole. Of course if an ad appeared on the XMB, people would call them greedy as well I'm sure.

If you don't like the ads, then vote with your wallet and refuse to pay for Live or sell the console and get a Wii or PS3. Paying for a service after expressing so much hate towards it is kind of a hypocritical thing to do, don't you think? Mind you, you appear to have bought over 100 games for the 360 so you've invested quite a lot of time and money into it.

Another thing that would invalidate any complaint would be if a person isn't actually buying games, they're just downloading them for free (stealing them in other words) - not that there would be many people like that here of course, and I'm not accusing you of it.

Many of us will NOT be renewing our subscriptions next time around - if there was a way to part cancel the subscription I have until November and receive a refund on unused months, I'd have done it by now. To discover the money I pay for games and Xbox Live subscription is not actually going on ways to improve the platform but instead to fund development to make it easier (and therefore more fluid) for adverts to be shown on the dashboard is the last straw, especially when they're making money out it.

No right to complain? How do you figure that one out? When I took out my last 12 month subscription it was before NXE was released. Since the release it's clearly obvious what direction MS want to take the 360. The extra panels are to be used to generate revenue at the expense of paying subscribers.

MS not greedy? Then pray tell why they've limited the ping to 30ms on LAN games? This is done solely to prevent people from using tunnelling software like X-Kai, as we could do with the original Xbox. MS learned from that mistake and took it upon themselves to reduce the ping right down meaning the only way you can play games with others outside your local network is to pay for it. You're using your own equipment but hey - if there's a chance of MS making some money out of it, be sure they'll take it.

If you really want to know MS's intentions, think about the fact that when you first turn on your 360 it goes to the 'My Xbox' pane. However, as soon as you're connected to Xbox live it goes to the Spotlight pane - effectively a pop-up which you have no control over. MS are not content with you paying £40 a game and £40 a year for Xbox Live - they want to make more money out of you. This, in my book and many others, is the definition of GREED.

[funksoulbrother]

QUOTE(Martinchris23 @ Jul 5 2009, 10:16 AM)

To discover the money I pay for games and Xbox Live subscription is not actually going on ways to improve the platform but instead to fund development to make it easier (and therefore more fluid) for adverts to be shown on the dashboard is the last straw, especially when they're making money out it.

Are you honestly implying that the only money MS will be spending on Live is so that they can bring adverts to the console? lol. More ridiculous exaggeration. Lots of new stuff is coming to Live this year.

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MS not greedy? Then pray tell why they've limited the ping to 30ms on LAN games? This is done solely to prevent people from using tunnelling software like X-Kai, as we could do with the original Xbox. MS learned from that mistake and took it upon themselves to reduce the ping right down meaning the only way you can play games with others outside your local network is to pay for it. You're using your own equipment but hey - if there's a chance of MS making some money out of it, be sure they'll take it.

It's pretty obvious why they did that. If you're charging for a service you don't want people being able to use an alternative service for free. It doesn't make a company greedy. You make money out of ripping off Microsoft, so no wonder there's some bitterness coming from your direction.

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If you really want to know MS's intentions, think about the fact that when you first turn on your 360 it goes to the 'My Xbox' pane. However, as soon as you're connected to Xbox live it goes to the Spotlight pane - effectively a pop-up which you have no control over.

OMG, and I have to press up once on the joypad to get to My Xbox!!!! It's too much hassle!!! MS are greedy!!! I'm switching to PS3!!!! Exaggeration again.

This post has been edited by funksoulbrother: Jul 5 2009, 03:45 PM

[ssj4android]

QUOTE(funksoulbrother @ Jul 3 2009, 01:32 PM)

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10 free categorised game video channels
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First, how much is Microsoft paying you?
Second, what do you mean free video channels?

[funksoulbrother]

QUOTE(ssj4android @ Jul 5 2009, 10:16 PM)

First, how much is Microsoft paying you?

We'll have pop-up ads in every game! The dashboard will be plastered in banner ads!! MS will beam ads directly into our brains via mind rays, forcing us to buy products we don't even want!!! There, happy now?

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Second, what do you mean free video channels?

What do you think I mean? What I said implies that there are gaming videos that you can watch for free organised into channels, does it not? I don't think that requires any further explanation.

Sorry for actually enjoying the 360 and Live and not being bothered about an ad or two or movie trailer that I can easily ignore or choose not to watch.   I guess some of you spend your lives on the dashboard looking for things to complain about instead of playing games. lol@the bullshit posted in this thread (especially by D3m0n1k - "Little pop-ins like the friend updates with ads on them" - LOL) and lol@people who make a big deal out of having to push up once on an analogue stick to get to the My Xbox channel. NXE already has ads and trailers. The old dashboard had ads that looked like banner ads on a web page. How have you all managed to hang on to your 360s for so long??

[Martinchris23]

QUOTE(funksoulbrother @ Jul 5 2009, 03:28 PM)

Are you honestly implying that the only money MS will be spending on Live is so that they can bring adverts to the console? lol. More ridiculous exaggeration. Lots of new stuff is coming to Live this year.

Too right the content should be coming our way because believe it or not, we're paying for a p2p gaming service. What you're failing to recognise is that increasing their revenue through adverts at our expense is plain wrong - a retard could tell you that, but for some reason you're having trouble grasping the concept.

QUOTE(funksoulbrother @ Jul 5 2009, 03:28 PM)

It's pretty obvious why they did that. If you're charging for a service you don't want people being able to use an alternative service for free. It doesn't make a company greedy.

Look up greed in the dictionary.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/greed

"greed - excessive desire to acquire or possess more (especially more material wealth) than one needs or deserves"

Now tell me Microsoft need or deserve money for something which can be achieved for free on every other platform, which for the most part are funded by advertisements?

QUOTE(funksoulbrother @ Jul 5 2009, 03:28 PM)

You make money out of ripping off Microsoft, so no wonder there's some bitterness coming from your direction.

You're about one post away from being reported for libellous comments so you'd better post a water-tight explanation or an apology next off.

QUOTE(funksoulbrother @ Jul 5 2009, 03:28 PM)

OMG, and I have to press up once on the joypad to get to My Xbox!!!! It's too much hassle!!! MS are greedy!!! I'm switching to PS3!!!! Exaggeration again.

I started on one channel and get taken to another once I'm signed in.

How many DVD Movies do you own? Of that amount, how many have adverts (NOT trailers) that you have to sit through before you watch the movie?

How many CDs do you own? How many have adverts playing before each song?

I'm guessing none on both parts. In the grown-up world, advertising is used to subsidize services and products. What we're seeing with MS here is the opposite. Not only are they still charging the same for Xbox Live now as when it was released over 5 years ago, but now we've revenue-earning adverts to contend with.

[funksoulbrother]

QUOTE(Martinchris23 @ Jul 7 2009, 02:27 PM)

What you're failing to recognise is that increasing their revenue through adverts at our expense is plain wrong - a retard could tell you that, but for some reason you're having trouble grasping the concept.

There's no golden book of rules that says it's wrong. The law doesn't say it's wrong. The fact that you don't like it doesn't make it wrong. You have a choice whether to own a 360 and pay for Live, and like most perpetual anti-MS whiners, you've chosen to do both and I doubt that will change. LOL. Besides, you're confusing revenue for profits again and nobody has been able to post up just how much profit MS have made out of the Xbox and Xbox 360, so before commenting on their "greed", perhaps you could sort those figures out for me. Cheers.

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Now tell me Microsoft need or deserve money for something which can be achieved for free on every other platform

Services on other platforms may be free, but then.....oh yeah.......they're inferior. If you're bothered that much, then just switch to a different console. Job done. Actually have some balls to stand by your comments and ditch the 360. You don't want to give more money to greedy MS after saying all this do you?

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You're about one post away from being reported for libellous comments so you'd better post a water-tight explanation or an apology next off.

You are offering a service in your signature where people can pay to have consoles modded so that they can steal games. Libel? I think not. You're profiting from other people's theft. Yeah, yeah, I know - I'm sure that all the people you mod consoles for sign an agreement saying they'll only play backups of games they legally own. Why doesn't this site allow links to the modded firmware when it's released? Does it break the law in some way, the DMCA maybe? Do you think installing reverse engineered firmware on to people's consoles so that they can steal games is legal? Don't take the moral high ground with me mate.

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In the grown-up world, advertising is used to subsidize services and products. What we're seeing with MS here is the opposite. Not only are they still charging the same for Xbox Live now as when it was released over 5 years ago, but now we've revenue-earning adverts to contend with.

Are you a bit slow or something? You're complaining that the price hasn't gone up, while the dashboard actually features fewer ads now than it did pre-NXE and we're getting more features added to the service than any owners of rival consoles are getting. LOL. I will repeat this again for those that still don't seem to get it - THE 360 DASHBOARD HAS ALWAYS FEATURED ADVERTS.

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How many DVD Movies do you own? Of that amount, how many have adverts (NOT trailers) that you have to sit through before you watch the movie?

How many CDs do you own? How many have adverts playing before each song?

Of the 360 games you own, how many force you to sit through adverts before you can play? None. Another failed analogy. Well done.

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In the grown-up world, advertising is used to subsidize services and products. What we're seeing with MS here is the opposite.

So you have proof that none of the advertising revenue from Live is used to subsidise any services and products? Of course you don't. It's even more hot air. Well done.

[ssj4android]

A few days ago there was an ad in the spotlight channel that played sound when you passed over it. Is that the sort of thing they're talking about?

[Martinchris23]

QUOTE(funksoulbrother @ Jul 8 2009, 02:38 AM)

/snip

I did start to reply to your points but realise I had more luck trying to catch a fart in a jar than for you to understand basic fundamentals.

It's not hard to grasp the fact that we're facing more adverts (and I don't mean game adverts - I mean so-called gaming related adverts such as Coke or ShockWave) and on a subscription service too.

You're also finding it hard to grasp the concept that that greed and profit have no correlation whatsoever. You can be greedy and not make profit - you can also make a profit and not be greedy.

For another comment you made, I won't be renewing my Gold subscription in November. I like many others won't continue to fund Microsoft's quest in trying to bleed us dry.

If you don't see it - fine. I'm not forcing you to see the point of view of a vast number of XBL Gold subscribers (pop over to MN Blog if you want a good read) - seeing as you're not a Gold subscriber however I find it laughable that you think you have a right to defend their actions. Either that or you're the typical coward to throw insults and hide behind the anonymity of the Internet.

[Halcyon-X12]

QUOTE(D3m0n1k @ Jul 2 2009, 05:08 AM)

I start the game, load up, tee off, and then I get a gamefly ad across my screen.
WHY?

I bet even if you're a gamefly member you still have to sit through that.  Talk to EA and gamefly if you want to know how to negatively affect your public image with advertising.