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[splatsters]

Hi

Yes, there have been some bans, as I'm sure you're all aware. The usual procedure has taken place, and live logs have been created. What this means is c4eva has recorded the information which travels between Xbox Live and your Xbox 360's DVD drive. This tells us which checks Microsoft have been performing.

The live logs have now been uploaded, for anybody who would like to see them:


Quote:
12 00 00 00 24 C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 Inquiry
55 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 3A 00 00 00
55 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 3A 00 00 00
3B 30 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77
5A 00 3B 00 00 00 00 00 3A 00 00 00
5A 00 20 00 00 00 00 00 14 00 00 00
55 00 20 00 00 00 00 00 14 00 00 00
20 0A 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
55 00 20 00 00 00 00 00 14 00 00 00
20 0A 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
25 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Check Capacity
AD 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 00 00 00 Read PFI
AD 00 00 00 00 00 00 04 80 00 00 00 Read DMI
12 00 00 00 24 C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 Inquiry
55 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 3A 00 00 00
3B 30 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77
5A 00 3B 00 00 00 00 00 3A 00 00 00
5A 00 3E 00 00 00 00 00 2A 00 00 00
AD 00 FF 02 FD FF FE 00 06 68 00 C0 Read DVD Structure/SS
55 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 2A 00 00 00 Challenge/Response
3E 20 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77
3E 20 00 01 00 E1 03 0E 1D A4 49 23
5A 00 3E 00 00 00 00 00 2A 00 00 00
55 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 2A 00 00 00 Challenge/Response
3E 20 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77
3E 20 00 01 00 E1 03 E0 6E E5 96 2E
5A 00 3E 00 00 00 00 00 2A 00 00 00
55 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 2A 00 00 00 Challenge/Response
3E 20 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77
3E 20 00 01 00 E1 03 78 1E AC 29 EE
5A 00 3E 00 00 00 00 00 2A 00 00 00
55 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 2A 00 00 00 Challenge/Response
3E 20 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77
3E 20 00 01 00 E1 03 C9 EA D9 F3 8A
5A 00 3E 00 00 00 00 00 2A 00 00 00
55 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 2A 00 00 00 Challenge/Response
3E 20 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77
3E 20 00 01 00 E1 03 4C 71 C5 A0 B6
5A 00 3E 00 00 00 00 00 2A 00 00 00
55 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 2A 00 00 00 Challenge/Response
3E 20 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77
3E 20 00 01 00 E1 03 E2 4C C9 78 E0
5A 00 3E 00 00 00 00 00 2A 00 00 00
5A 00 20 00 00 00 00 00 14 00 00 00
55 00 20 00 00 00 00 00 14 00 00 00
20 0A 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
25 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Check Capacity
55 00 20 00 00 00 00 00 14 00 00 00
20 0A 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
AD 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 18 00 00 Read PFI
AD 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 18 00 00 Read PFI
AD 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 18 00 00 Read PFI
55 00 20 00 00 00 00 00 14 00 00 00
20 0A 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
AD 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 00 00 00 Read PFI
AD 00 00 00 00 00 00 04 80 00 00 00 Read DMI
12 00 00 00 24 C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 Inquiry
25 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Check Capacity
55 00 20 00 00 00 00 00 14 00 00 00
20 0A 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
25 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Check Capacity
12 00 00 00 24 C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 Inquiry
AD 00 00 00 00 00 00 04 80 00 00 00 Read DMI
AD 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 00 00 00 Read PFI
AD 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 18 00 00 Read PFI
AD 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 18 00 00 Read PFI
55 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 3A 00 00 00
3B 30 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77
5A 00 3B 00 00 00 00 00 3A 00 00 00
5A 00 3E 00 00 00 00 00 2A 00 00 00
AD 00 FF 02 FD FF FE 00 06 68 00 C0 Read DVD Structure/SS
55 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 2A 00 00 00 Challenge/Response
3E 20 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77
3E 20 00 01 00 E1 03 95 CE 92 B2 00
5A 00 3E 00 00 00 00 00 2A 00 00 00
55 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 2A 00 00 00 Challenge/Response
3E 20 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77
3E 20 00 01 00 E1 03 36 1D 3B 38 17
5A 00 3E 00 00 00 00 00 2A 00 00 00
55 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 2A 00 00 00 Challenge/Response
3E 20 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77
3E 20 00 01 00 E1 03 27 6C 07 F8 78
5A 00 3E 00 00 00 00 00 2A 00 00 00
55 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 2A 00 00 00 Challenge/Response
3E 20 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77
3E 20 00 01 00 E1 03 C9 EA D9 F3 8A
5A 00 3E 00 00 00 00 00 2A 00 00 00
55 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 2A 00 00 00 Challenge/Response
3E 20 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77
3E 20 00 01 00 E1 03 1B 0D B9 64 76
5A 00 3E 00 00 00 00 00 2A 00 00 00
55 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 2A 00 00 00 Challenge/Response
3E 20 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77
3E 20 00 01 00 E1 03 E2 1B C9 27 36
5A 00 3E 00 00 00 00 00 2A 00 00 00
5A 00 20 00 00 00 00 00 14 00 00 00
55 00 20 00 00 00 00 00 14 00 00 00
20 0A 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
55 00 20 00 00 00 00 00 14 00 00 00
20 0A 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
55 00 20 00 00 00 00 00 14 00 00 00
20 0A 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
12 00 00 00 24 C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 Inquiry
AD 00 00 00 00 00 00 04 80 00 00 00 Read DMI
AD 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 00 00 00 Read PFI
25 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Check Capacity
55 00 20 00 00 00 00 00 14 00 00 00
20 0A 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
12 00 00 00 24 C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 Inquiry
25 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Check Capacity
AD 00 00 00 00 00 00 04 80 00 00 00 Read DMI
AD 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 00 00 00 Read PFI  

Now I'm sure most people won't understand the above, but c4eva has confirmed that there are no changes in the checks performed by MS. This has left most people speculating that the reason people are being banned is for playing bad ISO files, specifically the Seed4Me review copies.

So what to do now? Well I would reccommend playing only original retail games, or games which you know are 100% verified and stealthed - as always. But be extremely careful. Anyone who is reading this, and has been banned, please post either here or in TheGRiM's thread, which games you have been playing recently, specifically seed4me releases.

I will keep this thread updated with information on the bans.

Regards

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[agentm]

Thanks for the update Splatsters.

[ProfessorD]

QUOTE(G19 @ Nov 11 2008, 11:52 AM)

I was under the impression that playing backups offline was safe? I only ever connect to Live to grab DLC, even then only for Oblivion and Blue Dragon, the rest of the time I am always offline. Though I did go on Live to download patches for a few games. So this is not the case? I would hate to lose the option of DLC, not to mention patches.

If your downloading game patches you must be loading the game whilst online.  The game checks are made when the game loads so im afraid your as good as playing online.

There is no way around that.  In all likelyhood unless there is a low probablity of returning a bad SS result 1 time online with a particular copy is as good as a thousand.  Id imagine it needs 2 or 3 instances of bad resonces before live trips a ban but who knows.

So far so good really as it means nothings changed. Dodgy torrent images are too risky.

What would be really cool is some form of downloadable patches database you could stick on a USB stick and patch the games that way.

[calibre6]

QUOTE(romeo36099 @ Nov 11 2008, 11:02 AM)

My console is banned, i jus put my hardrive in an unbanned box and I can connect... for now.

Thank you Captain Obvious!!!

[arfert]

Ive played Fallout 3 READNFO XBOX360-Seed4ME and not been banned yet.

[dangerpaki]

QUOTE(tsbeech @ Nov 11 2008, 08:08 AM)

No NXE here, and I normally check all my games with mullet or schtrom stealth checker
I checked all the games I've played lately and all pass muster.
I'm still left scratching my head.
I'm very curious what the guru's have to say.

that's really shitty dude. meaning that even a proper ixtreme software and stealthed games can get you in shit? holy crap!!!
I hate those dudes at MS, here in Holland it's legal to have a security copy of your own game. and MS preventing this. to be honest if these fucks from europe would act on Ms and say if no safety copies can work than we should do something to protect the consumer, and they should than kick MS (and other console makers) and tell them to come and sell consoles here in europe after they allow an option of playing safety copies for users....

QUOTE(LightningStruckMyXbox @ Nov 11 2008, 09:19 AM)

I guess I'll know as soon as the NXE launches. I've got a BenQ drive with 1.4.1 fw only played backups with good ss. c4eva says he's going to be doing a live log in about an hour.

those freaking MS pricks, very smart indeed. wait until you release great games for online play, throw a couple of them on torrents too early yourselve, sell people your old 20gb harddrives getting them ready for the new update. than bann the shit out of them.
nett result, you got rid of those old harddrives, and sell some new consoles, all those people who payed for live banned.

for fucks sake if they would just allow people to safety copy their own games. and that this is essential we have already seen it from thei screwup with the drives in the  beginning

[fokia]

So people (consoles) are getting banned - who would though of that happening again, uh?!?

You're not helping saying your just been banned... To bad for you, it's true.
But if you want to help, you need to share all your info/profile, not the M$ lame codes, like:

- your actual firmware version (and previous, if any)
- if you play pre-releases (which one?)
- if you played non-retail copies (which one?)
- if you go online for your bks (just because your too lazy to do it yourself, of course)
- if you check (our double check) SS/ISO (tools?)
- media/method/burner used
- disc verification (after burning)
- anything else you find relevant

I'm pretty sure I'm not banned. But, after modding, you never know...

And... Know one knows if MS it self couldn't have seeded a bad copy of some game, on purpose. I smell something fishy about the GoW2 and FallOut3 early releases...

[Zomah]

It has nothing to do with the firmware, your just banned if you played bad iso's or seed4me releases not everyone i think but you still could be tagged and banned with the next wave (which is a long time away till the big update after NXE so your all safe for a few months/year. And please stop with the bullshit stories about MS banning gamers that play games play-release cause they dont work that way they have to proof that its a illegal game and they can see that with bad rips or seed4me releases.

This post has been edited by Zomah: Nov 11 2008, 02:01 PM

[SasquatchRVC]

QUOTE(arfert @ Nov 11 2008, 08:31 AM)

Ive played Fallout 3 READNFO XBOX360-Seed4ME and not been banned yet.

That seems to be a trend. From what I can tell, the bans aren't coming from Fallout 3 Seed4Me.

Maybe Fracture Seed4Me, Saints Row 2 Seed4Me, or both.

QUOTE(Zomah @ Nov 11 2008, 08:59 AM)

It has nothing to do with the firmware, your just banned if you played bad iso's or seed4me releases not everyone i think but you still could be tagged and banned with the next wave (which is a long time away till the big update after NXE so your all safe for a few months/year.

One of the big changes is that there will no longer be a 2 time a year update. Don't misinform.

[LuvMyElite]

Hmm... I've only played one Seed4Me copy, I knew there was something dodgy about that group lol.
I never check anything except stealth which is very foolish of me.

I've only played Saints Row 2 -Seed4Me

Havn't been banned yet on Hitachi 78fk Ixtreme 1.4. Fingers Crossed.

This post has been edited by LuvMyElite: Nov 11 2008, 02:10 PM

[RichMR2]

SR2 review copy keeps coming up all over the place as the cause, so it's quite likely it is one of the causes for the ban wave... I sure hope not but I will know later if it is... I'll update then.

[Morninglight]

On another xbox forum multiple people with the Far-Cry2  DNL release are banned...

[Xbox4free]

seriously...how many people actually change their firmware so they can copy their original games???  Those that have enough knowledge to change their firmware probably know how to find a scene release or two.  The bottom line is " SO WHAT "  A working console can be found on Ebay for around 100USD.  That is less than the price of 3 retail games.  3 DL DVD's are around 10USD, even cheaper if bought in stacks.  So now that we have had almost an entire year without a ban sweep, think about all the money you have saved yourself, and go get a used working console somewhere.  I would be careful of the newly listed 360's on ebay though (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[-markie-]

personally i doubt it will be from fallout3 or any other none microsoft games that got leaked early on purpose, if they got caught they would get fined huge.

My guess is they are doing it on microsoft games, maybe leaked early.
So Gears of war 2, like halo 3 bans - microsoft only games.

saints row 2 - microsoft game - alot of people are reporting of being banned from this

Can anyone confirm that they have been banned and NOT played saints of row 2?

This post has been edited by -markie-: Nov 11 2008, 02:12 PM

[JamieLee2k]

Hitachi 59DJ Drive
 Firmware - ixtreme 1.4
 only GOW2 I played 2 weeks early (Not the reviewers Copy)
 
 Not banned