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lol... i think its funny how you Americans complain about the gas prices: I live in the Netherlands, and we pay 8,675 dollars a gallon ( no joke !!! really true !). So when you complain about the gas prices, think about others  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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QUOTE(Elemino @ Sep 26 2008, 11:38 PM)

Well of course. It's the opinion of the PEOPLE... I could care less what the trees in Wyoming want, or what the cactus in New Mexico desires. Empty land does not deserve a vote, the people deserve the vote. The Grand Canyon gets no tax breaks... it must pay it's medicare and income taxes like the rest of us.

well, i wasn't talking about giving a tax break to the grand canyon, i was talking about how a popular vote system would greatly diminish (read as: eliminate) the voting representation of arizona. so the people who leave near the grand canyon will have no say on federal matters. like i said, popular vote puts the majority of power in the hands of 9 states, while screwing over the other 41. (and when i say majority, i do in fact mean the literal definition of more than 50%).

in a system where the democratic left wants to take more and more state power away and give those rights to the federal government, this would be a HUGE problem.

a popular vote system means the candidate that campaigns well in new york, california, and texas has nothing to worry about. like i said before, the electoral college system has natural balances built into it. there is a reason we are a representative republic, and not a true democracy

QUOTE(Elemino @ Sep 26 2008, 11:38 PM)

It may be. But at one time there were questions like which MP3 player are you more likely to buy... Zune or iPod... which system are you more likely to buy 360 or PS3... we both know what the answer will be on a site called xbox-scene.

i know, i was just giving you a hard time on that one. thats why i said it was bad timing for that comment instead of disagreeing with it.

[Elemino]

QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Sep 27 2008, 11:57 AM)

well, i wasn't talking about giving a tax break to the grand canyon, i was talking about how a popular vote system would greatly diminish (read as: eliminate) the voting representation of arizona. so the people who leave near the grand canyon will have no say on federal matters. like i said, popular vote puts the majority of power in the hands of 9 states, while screwing over the other 41. (and when i say majority, i do in fact mean the literal definition of more than 50%).

in a system where the democratic left wants to take more and more state power away and give those rights to the federal government, this would be a HUGE problem.

a popular vote system means the candidate that campaigns well in new york, california, and texas has nothing to worry about. like i said before, the electoral college system has natural balances built into it. there is a reason we are a representative republic, and not a true democracy
i know, i was just giving you a hard time on that one. thats why i said it was bad timing for that comment instead of disagreeing with it.

I don't disagree with what you're saying, that's why we have representatives and senators. But as for one nation picking one president, we should have one equal vote. As it stands now, people in Wyoming and near the grand canyon actually have more say over who will be president than I do here in Texas. It's their thousands of votes against our Millions.

[Reaper527]

QUOTE(Elemino @ Sep 28 2008, 01:38 AM)

As it stands now, people in Wyoming and near the grand canyon actually have more say over who will be president than I do here in Texas. It's their thousands of votes against our Millions.

at the same time though, they have less people so they also have less electoral votes.  wyoming has 3 electoral votes, while your state of texas has 32. a lot of balancing has gone into the system.

http://www.worldatla...es/electorl.htm

[Heet]

Just saw this video yesterday.  It explains what happened with fannie mae and freddie mac.

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related


Interesting.

[Kelevra]

This thread brings to light a quote by Mr. Winston Churchill that I've always found to be so very true.

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

And, another quote by Laurence Peter,

"Democracy is a process by which people are free to choose the man who will get the blame."

As another poster has already said, if you are going to vote at least know WHY you are voting. "Change" and "Maverick" are not reasons. They're marketing strategies to appeal to the uneducated and uninformed voters, I.E. the general public. In the same sense, how silver-tongued and cute or how old and awkward a candidate is are not valid voting reasons either. Educate yourself on the policies and issues and decide from there.