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[Ranger72]

QUOTE(trentdadi @ Sep 24 2008, 04:27 AM)

A candidate can say hes standing for whatever he wants, but when's the last time anyone actually did what they say they would do.  I am not voting because that's how they get your name into the jury duty pools.

I personally find it ridiculous that we as Americans always fall back on to the price of gas argument.  We really have it too good if that is what you guys truly believe is our main concern.  Have you guys thought about how rampant terrorism could be if George Bush never took office?  Saddam Hussein would still be in power killing innocent Iraqis.  I do believe he is to blame for the crap economy currently, but I also believe the world as a whole is now a safer place and that is a +1 for him in my books.

I believe no matter what happens, in about 20 years the economy will straighten itself out.  I blame the baby boomers for the way the economy is heading.  Right now we have a ridiculous amount of retired people who aren't doing much for the nation except soaking up healthcare benefits.  (really sorry if that sounded morbid which it did)

Tell me what did Saddam use to kill his people? Where did he get the weapons he used to kill them? Did you think we gave him those chemical weapons to NOT use them? He did what we told him to do and we condemned him for it.

And for all the bad things he did killing his own people it all was just a drop in the bucket compared to the millions that has since been killed in Africa. Why are we not invading and killing leaders there?

Tell me what threat did Saddam pose to you? Were you hiding in your basement thinking that at any moment he was going to send his million man army to the shores of our country with his amazing navy and invade your town? Was you building a bomb shelter to protect yourself from his massive air force that he was going to use to bomb and air drop tens of thousands of his troops on your property?

Tell me at what point that you were so scared for your life that you condemned thousands of American and passably a million or more Iraqi lives so you can sleep better at night? At what point was your terror so great that you decided it was better to spend over 600 billion dollars so you would not shake in your knees when you went out to get your morning paper?

Too all those who are still insane enough to think the Iraq war was justified I blame each and every one of you personally for the death of each human that has resulted in your support. Each and every one of you has the blood of our solders on your hands and at some point will have to answer to God for you sins.  

The sooner the Antichrist in Washington looses his power the better. Lets just hope we don't get another 4 year of this insanity.

[chorizo1]

QUOTE(trentdadi @ Sep 23 2008, 10:27 PM)

 I am not voting because that's how they get your name into the jury duty pools.

wow, I'd rather let the country go to shit than spend a day at a court house.    

People who don't vote, shouldn't have opinions when it comes to politics or policy.

I just got out of jury duty right now to boot.

[Elemino]

QUOTE(chorizo1 @ Sep 24 2008, 02:26 PM)

People who don't vote, shouldn't have opinions when it comes to politics or policy.

People who don't vote don't have an opinion... they just think they do. Or rather, their opinion means absolutely nothing.

[djtonic]

QUOTE(Elemino @ Sep 24 2008, 08:12 PM)

Funny you say that. MS likes republicans. The democrats where trying to split the company up in the late 90's. Regardless of who votes, what it's all about is money. Those republicans love that democrat money they're making. They're not helping anyone's ego, they're just giving us another form of entertainment. This poll means absolutely nothing.

That's why i was surprised at their joining with rock the vote.
Obviously the poll "means" nothing but the Ego part is the "landslide victory" that the poll shows obama would have...How is releasing those "results" entertaining.  

It's like polling evangelical christians to see if they like jesus or satan better..or McCain vs Barack(***not equating them to jesus and satan by the way...it would just show the same outcome.) Or like taking a poll in africa to see if they believe that lions exist.

it's just stupid...and i know my analogy is dumb too, but its the best i have.

[Mr N]

It doesn't matter whether anyone votes for McCain or Obama. McCain will probably win because the Republicans will most likely just cheat again like they did in Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004. Then, we will probably fight some other war (or continue the current failure in Iraq) that will make them even richer.

QUOTE(Elemino @ Sep 24 2008, 08:29 PM)

People who don't vote don't have an opinion... they just think they do. Or rather, their opinion means absolutely nothing.

Your vote doesn't really count. If it did, Al Gore would have been the president in 2000.

[djtonic]

QUOTE(Mr N @ Sep 24 2008, 09:57 PM)

It doesn't matter whether anyone votes for McCain or Obama. McCain will probably win because the Republicans will most likely just cheat again like they did in Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004. Then, we will probably fight some other war (or continue the current failure in Iraq) that will make them even richer.
Your vote doesn't really count. If it did, Al Gore would have been the president in 2000.

Wow..that's rediculous.

give an example to back up any of your statement( i dont need an example of why Iraq war is a mistake, that we agree 100%)

Al Gore, besides being a douchebag lost the election because of the electorial college, a very needed and sometimes confusing system to keep elections balanced.  Do some homework
No one "cheated"

P.S. The us governement did not blow up the twin towers, it was jets flown by radical jihadists.

[Reaper527]

QUOTE(Mr N @ Sep 24 2008, 04:57 PM)

Your vote doesn't really count. If it did, Al Gore would have been the president in 2000.

the electoral college exists to make sure all regions get an equal say. a purely popular vote system would mean that only new york, chicago, and la would be represented (as their population is vastly unproportional to the rest of the nation), while less populated areas, such as the majority of the midwest, would have no voice.

the electoral college may have flaws, but it absolutely serves a purpose and is much better then a purely popular vote system.

This post has been edited by Reaper527: Sep 24 2008, 11:57 PM

[tc154]

Too bad probably most of this survey was taken by kids so the results are a little skewed. Kids tend to vote for the "popular" guy, like an American Idol election or something. They don't really know what Obama's policies or what he stands for...

OH WAIT, NEITHER DOES THE REST OF AMERICA! I've never seen somebody change his position on issues so much in my life.

Oh, but let's all get together, hold hands, close our eyes and hope for change real hard!

Go McCain/Palin!

[TheoGeek]

QUOTE(Mr N @ Sep 24 2008, 02:57 PM)

It doesn't matter whether anyone votes for McCain or Obama. McCain will probably win because the Republicans will most likely just cheat again like they did in Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004. Then, we will probably fight some other war (or continue the current failure in Iraq) that will make them even richer.
Your vote doesn't really count. If it did, Al Gore would have been the president in 2000.

Wow.  It really scares me that people who don't even understand how our government works are allowed to vote.

PROTIP:  USA == Representative Republic != Pure Democracy

I applaud all the gamers out there who actually take time to understand our government.  I actually don't care who you vote for, as long as you know why you are voting for him or her.  "Hope and Change!" or "Because he chose a female VP!" doesn't count.  But that doesn't mean I can't call you a moron for voting for someone more liberal than the lone socialist in congress...  

I'm in favor of some rudimentary test being given to anybody who wants to vote that asks questions about the candidate for whom you are voting.  If you FAIL, no vote for you!

[Heet]

Right, we are a republic but vote in a democracy.


I actually heard a woman at work say the other night "im voting for obama because he's cute".  When I asked how thats any kind of a qualification she said "omg so your voting for McCain!" LOL.


Gotta love it.  I guess as long as she gets updated on Britney Spears life and her minimum wage goes up she's cool with whatever.


Go ask these people who sits on the supreme court or to name 3 US senators.  Or what Obama and McCain stand for.  They have no clue.

[ishtar]

Obama cute Ewuuuu man they must be blind or something Big ears long face cute .... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Elemino]

QUOTE(djtonic @ Sep 24 2008, 03:38 PM)

That's why i was surprised at their joining with rock the vote.
Obviously the poll "means" nothing but the Ego part is the "landslide victory" that the poll shows obama would have...How is releasing those "results" entertaining.  

It's like polling evangelical christians to see if they like jesus or satan better..or McCain vs Barack(***not equating them to jesus and satan by the way...it would just show the same outcome.) Or like taking a poll in africa to see if they believe that lions exist.

it's just stupid...and i know my analogy is dumb too, but its the best i have.

Have you seen the top left corner on the main page of this site?

[Elemino]

QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Sep 24 2008, 05:56 PM)

the electoral college exists to make sure all regions get an equal say.

The flaw in your thinking is that you're thinking of us as REGIONS instead of ONE NATION. I'm not saying you're wrong or right.. .just that it has a philosophical flaw. I personally tend to lean toward the one nation concept, but that's just me.

QUOTE(tc154 @ Sep 24 2008, 06:00 PM)

They don't really know what Obama's policies or what he stands for...

It's not that they know or don't know what Obama stands for, it's that they know McCain has been a loyal Bush follower and they know they don't want that. I have found it somewhat amusing that the closer to election day we get, the more he distances himself from Bush. But I remember him on numerous occasions sticking up for Bush's policies even when most other republicans were against him.

The thing I hate most about politics is we are voting for people we have never met. They can tell us what they want and we have no choice but to believe it. Everyone is manipulating what other's have done or said to make it sound good or bad and it doesn't help us in the least bit. The truth is the media decides who wins, not us. They make a certain candidate look a certain way and trust that we'll do the right thing on election day. The true genious is in the skits of SNL, Mad TV, and other late night programming and the way they have pointed out how saying something one way has a completely different conotation (sp?) from saying it a different way.

[Reaper527]

QUOTE(Elemino @ Sep 26 2008, 03:44 AM)

The flaw in your thinking is that you're thinking of us as REGIONS instead of ONE NATION. I'm not saying you're wrong or right.. .just that it has a philosophical flaw. I personally tend to lean toward the one nation concept, but that's just me.

like i said, the alternative is thinking of the nation as a few cities, rather than a nation. a popular vote would make 80% of the nations vote not count (the percentage is area wise, not population wise, meaning california, texas, new  york, florida, illinois, pennsylvania, ohio, michigan, georgia would have the same voting power as the other 41 states in the country, as they account for over 50% of the nations population)

that is far worse than an electoral system.

QUOTE(Elemino @ Sep 26 2008, 03:29 AM)

Have you seen the top left corner on the main page of this site?

bad time for that example. current poll is what version of 360 has RRoD'ed on you

[Elemino]

QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Sep 26 2008, 10:00 AM)

a popular vote would make 80% of the nations vote not count (the percentage is area wise, not population wise, meaning california, texas, new  york, florida, illinois, pennsylvania, ohio, michigan, georgia would have the same voting power as the other 41 states in the country, as they account for over 50% of the nations population

Well of course. It's the opinion of the PEOPLE... I could care less what the trees in Wyoming want, or what the cactus in New Mexico desires. Empty land does not deserve a vote, the people deserve the vote. The Grand Canyon gets no tax breaks... it must pay it's medicare and income taxes like the rest of us.

QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Sep 26 2008, 10:00 AM)

bad time for that example. current poll is what version of 360 has RRoD'ed on you

It may be. But at one time there were questions like which MP3 player are you more likely to buy... Zune or iPod... which system are you more likely to buy 360 or PS3... we both know what the answer will be on a site called xbox-scene.