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[tom_mandory]

QUOTE(Chimp5000 @ Sep 23 2008, 04:09 PM)

I'd like the politics to stay away from my videogames, thanx.

+1

Its absolutely ridiculous how much press we get about this "election" in Australia.
But I didn't mind South Parks take on the 2004 election: A choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.

[Eksyte]

Did you spit something on them or punch them?

I'd have a hard time voting for a Republican. Bush and his "gang" have lied so much and made so many bad (wrong) choices, trusting the party is almost impossible. The fact that McSame wants to deregulate the finance market and wants to continue in Iraq solidifies my vote going elsewhere.

Obama's not perfect, but he's far better than McSame and I'm not wasting my vote on Nader like I did in 2000.

[Reaper527]

once you factor out the votes from people under the age of 18, and the people who could but won't register to vote, and the people who will say home on election day, i don't think these numbers are too bad.

look where the support for the candidates is coming from, then look at the stereotype that old people vote. neither candidate is a good option, as both are fiscally irresponsible and will increase the size of the government when we should be shrinking it. mccain just happens to be the lesser of two evils (which is what we have had to choose between for far too long).

we should be scrapping social security, which no one is brave enough to admit,
we do need to do some fixing to the healthcare system, but UHC is NOT the solution.
we need to finish the job in iraq, they will be a very valuable ally if we stabilize the nation.
we need to strike down the fairness doctrine
we need to stop the federal governments involvement in state affairs
we need to legalize marijuana and start modestly taxing it instead of wasting money prosecuting it
we need to crack down on illegal immigration. i have no objection to adding arrested illegal immigrants to a dna bank with a do not grant citizen flag next to their name, then deporting them. (simplify the immigration process and reward those who come here legally, while punishing those who don't)

there are plenty of real changes to be made, but none of the candidates represent them.

This post has been edited by Reaper527: Sep 23 2008, 04:54 PM

[hanman]

QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Sep 23 2008, 10:52 AM)

once you factor out the votes from people under the age of 18, and the people who could but won't register to vote, and the people who will say home on election day, i don't think these numbers are too bad.

look where the support for the candidates is coming from, then look at the stereotype that old people vote. neither candidate is a good option, as both are fiscally irresponsible and will increase the size of the government when we should be shrinking it. mccain just happens to be the lesser of two evils (which is what we have had to choose between for far too long).

we should be scrapping social security, which no one is brave enough to admit,
we do need to do some fixing to the healthcare system, but UHC is NOT the solution.
we need to finish the job in iraq, they will be a very valuable ally if we stabilize the nation.
we need to strike down the fairness doctrine
we need to stop the federal governments involvement in state affairs
we need to legalize marijuana and start modestly taxing it instead of wasting money prosecuting it
we need to crack down on illegal immigration. i have no objection to adding arrested illegal immigrants to a dna bank with a do not grant citizen flag next to their name, then deporting them. (simplify the immigration process and reward those who come here legally, while punishing those who don't)

there are plenty of real changes to be made, but none of the candidates represent them.

QFT

and scrap welfare while you're at it.

[djtonic]

QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Sep 23 2008, 04:52 PM)

once you factor out the votes from people under the age of 18, and the people who could but won't register to vote, and the people who will say home on election day, i don't think these numbers are too bad.

look where the support for the candidates is coming from, then look at the stereotype that old people vote. neither candidate is a good option, as both are fiscally irresponsible and will increase the size of the government when we should be shrinking it. mccain just happens to be the lesser of two evils (which is what we have had to choose between for far too long).

we should be scrapping social security, which no one is brave enough to admit,
we do need to do some fixing to the healthcare system, but UHC is NOT the solution.
we need to finish the job in iraq, they will be a very valuable ally if we stabilize the nation.
we need to strike down the fairness doctrine
we need to stop the federal governments involvement in state affairs
we need to legalize marijuana and start modestly taxing it instead of wasting money prosecuting it
we need to crack down on illegal immigration. i have no objection to adding arrested illegal immigrants to a dna bank with a do not grant citizen flag next to their name, then deporting them. (simplify the immigration process and reward those who come here legally, while punishing those who don't)

there are plenty of real changes to be made, but none of the candidates represent them.

Spoken like a true Libertarian or small "c" Conservative

Good man.

This post has been edited by djtonic: Sep 23 2008, 10:46 PM

[pancus]

QUOTE(metalcoat @ Sep 23 2008, 04:19 AM)

The price of a barrel of Brent Crude Oil is now over $120, and the contract for delivered oil in November is about $104.  Now there are so many factors causing the price to fluctuate daily, especially with the bail-out of several banks and investors switching to commodity markets.  People need to understand this before just rifling off stupid comments about how this is the government's fault.  We as citizens need to take responsibility and to take action to demand from our government and elected leaders that what we need is a change.  I'm not here to have you vote for a certain candidate, just be informed about what the real problems are.  Get the facts!  Make an informed decision.  Remember there just isn't two parties and voting for someone else that truly represents your beliefs isn't a waste.  You have to show that whoever may win this election that all these things need to be looked at.

Edit: Brent crude dropped back down since midday to $101

Holy shit I had to comment on this.

The price of oil is based on SPECULATION. To give a hint on just how fucking retarded this is the price of oil is adjusted right NOW for what it MAY be worth in the FUTURE. This is a revised enron strategy of basically making up numbers almost COMPLETELY out of thin air. eg. if the states goes to war with Iran then it will jump $100, etc.

Now the price is controlled by a bullshit organization called OPAC, which is controlled by... just guess... now what's worth noting about this is that Venezuela is not part of OPAC and they pay 12c at the pump! Remember when the news went on and on about how Chavez is a terrorist/criminal and should be killed etc, this is why.

Incidentally I have been told that Canada (where I am) Alberta is selling oil to the states at roughly $12/barrel. They're building a pipe right now directly to Texas and here I am stilling waiting for my reacharound. And guess what folks, america apparently gets 60% of it's oil from canada and only 3% from middle east, not only that the oil fields they control in Iraq signed their first deal, with China, surprise.

Do some reading from non-mainstream sources folks, it will drive you crazy.

[Fyb3roptik]

If you dont like either candidate, then you have the option of writing in someone else's name. They have to have registered with the party to be nominated.

RON PAUL!!!!!!

[trentdadi]

A candidate can say hes standing for whatever he wants, but when's the last time anyone actually did what they say they would do.  I am not voting because that's how they get your name into the jury duty pools.

I personally find it ridiculous that we as Americans always fall back on to the price of gas argument.  We really have it too good if that is what you guys truly believe is our main concern.  Have you guys thought about how rampant terrorism could be if George Bush never took office?  Saddam Hussein would still be in power killing innocent Iraqis.  I do believe he is to blame for the crap economy currently, but I also believe the world as a whole is now a safer place and that is a +1 for him in my books.

I believe no matter what happens, in about 20 years the economy will straighten itself out.  I blame the baby boomers for the way the economy is heading.  Right now we have a ridiculous amount of retired people who aren't doing much for the nation except soaking up healthcare benefits.  (really sorry if that sounded morbid which it did)

[Murc]

QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Sep 23 2008, 10:52 AM)

once you factor out the votes from people under the age of 18, and the people who could but won't register to vote, and the people who will say home on election day, i don't think these numbers are too bad.

look where the support for the candidates is coming from, then look at the stereotype that old people vote. neither candidate is a good option, as both are fiscally irresponsible and will increase the size of the government when we should be shrinking it. mccain just happens to be the lesser of two evils (which is what we have had to choose between for far too long).

we should be scrapping social security, which no one is brave enough to admit,
we do need to do some fixing to the healthcare system, but UHC is NOT the solution.
we need to finish the job in iraq, they will be a very valuable ally if we stabilize the nation.
we need to strike down the fairness doctrine
we need to stop the federal governments involvement in state affairs
we need to legalize marijuana and start modestly taxing it instead of wasting money prosecuting it
we need to crack down on illegal immigration. i have no objection to adding arrested illegal immigrants to a dna bank with a do not grant citizen flag next to their name, then deporting them. (simplify the immigration process and reward those who come here legally, while punishing those who don't)

there are plenty of real changes to be made, but none of the candidates represent them.

wow...thats a good list, and I agree with 99% of it.

I think social security is a good thing though....when your old and cant work 40hrs a week, how are you supposed to get by? 401k aint gonna cut it.

I'm voting for MCcain / Palin.
been a republican all my life (25), I have voting a a democrat once though.  but for the most part I simply think the same way republicans do.
I like freedom and guns and stuff, I hunt, I like big vehicles (i dont need some hippy telling me what I can and cannot drive).

The BIGGEST items on my FIX IT list would be:  Energy independence (I would make incentives for car companies to invest and produce electric vehicles...ELECTRIC ONLY, not hydrogen / not flex fuel/ not natural gas.
next would be: Immigration - build a wall on the border...not some stupid and expensive "virtual fence" of cameras and sensors.  and I agree with what Reaper said on this issue as well.
and...of course, the Economy.

Fyb3roptik - ron paul. lol
that guy is an odd ball republican. and if I was running, I wouldn't want him to be my vice pres...but the perfect spot for that guy would be an economic advisor.
he's a smart guy...but I think the biggest reason as to why he didn't stand a chance at winning the republican nomination is simple....immigration.   whenever they talked about immigration he always started out by saying " first off, no human being is illegal"....oh please.   If they broke into this country illegally...they YES Ron...they are an illegal immigrant.
other then his immigration stance...and Iraq, he would be a good leader.

sorry if I rambled a little long.   usually I'm part of the crowd that hates politics on not political sites...but since it was the topic...I figured I'd take advantage of that.

This post has been edited by Murc: Sep 24 2008, 05:39 AM

[Heet]

I say Reaper527 for president!!!!!


You forgot the damn fair tax!






   I may be voting with my feet this election.  No third party candidate will get the votes because too many people watch FOX, CNN or Mtv.  Sadly.




Im glad there is a feeling of "giant douche/turd sandwich" around here because that's what we got.  




Ron Paul?!?!?    

[TechPagan]

Those where some interesting numbers.  The facts I have come across is that the 9 - 16 yr age bracket would vote for Obama because he is black.  They are not making informed decisions and are casting votes for Obama because "we have never had a black president".  I do network installs in Cape May, NJ.  In 5 different households I asked the kids who they where voting for.  That was what they ALL told me.  Now I realize this was a very small poll of children that all went to the same school.  Still, it makes you think.

This post has been edited by TechPagan: Sep 24 2008, 12:50 PM

[nitram100]

QUOTE(traderj @ Sep 23 2008, 06:28 AM)

Accept we seem to forget that probably most of the votes are from underage kids that can't vote in the first place. Don't lie, we all have changed our age to take part in something not for our age bracket.

Kinda like the Kids Vote thing I saw on the news the other day. They can't comprehend whats really going on and that's why they can't vote at that age.

I seriously think we're f***ed no matter who gets in but I have to stress that the Democrats are the majority in congress right now. Doesn't seem like their doing any better then the first 4 years. In fact in the past 2 years our economy went down the tubes and we are paying $3.50 a gallon for gas even though a barrel of oil is back down to the normal $94. You can't blame everything on just one person people, the government consists of more then just a president and his cabinet.

Cry me a fucking river! $3.50 a gallon?! You Americans love to moan don't you? We pay $10 a gallon here in Europe so shut the fuck up already! Is it any wonder the whole world hates you?            

[Reaper527]

QUOTE(nitram100 @ Sep 24 2008, 08:11 AM)

Cry me a fucking river! $3.50 a gallon?! You Americans love to moan don't you? We pay $10 a gallon here in Europe so shut the fuck up already! Is it any wonder the whole world hates you?            

your paying heavy taxes on your gas, thats why. most of what you pay is going to your european governments.

[djtonic]

QUOTE(nitram100 @ Sep 24 2008, 01:11 PM)

Cry me a fucking river! $3.50 a gallon?! You Americans love to moan don't you? We pay $10 a gallon here in Europe so shut the fuck up already! Is it any wonder the whole world hates you?            

I hope you don't hate us nitram....that would really make me sad

But....back to this topic of Live and voting.  
Anyone who doesnt think there is some major felatio being performed on Obama by the media is a fool.  

This stupid poll and rock the vote are just one small example of this.  Retarded eruopean comedians on stage at MTV awards pleading for Obama to be elected should be just one of the reasons MS avoided rock the vote completely.
There are a at least a lot of conservative leaning voters if not republicans who play on live and use MS products and this little ego stroke of the democratic party by MS is just annoying.  

It is obvious they achieved what their predicted outcome of this was...To show OBAMA leading by a large margin.  Really, what else did they expect this poll to show??  

ARRGGGHHHHH!!!!

~DJ~

[Elemino]

Funny you say that. MS likes republicans. The democrats where trying to split the company up in the late 90's. Regardless of who votes, what it's all about is money. Those republicans love that democrat money they're making. They're not helping anyone's ego, they're just giving us another form of entertainment. This poll means absolutely nothing.

This post has been edited by Elemino: Sep 24 2008, 08:15 PM