QUOTE(hamwbone @ Jun 18 2008, 07:26 AM)

i am so tired of people that know know nothing about entrepreneurship bitching about fees and why they should get shit for free. open your own business for one month. see how many "thank you gifts" and free things you give out. its a luxury you morons. if pc and wii are free, pack your bags and ditch the xbox ship... it's not like they are charging you double for health insurance or taxing the food your eat. f*ing grow up.

you can get live on amazon for 35$ for 12 months. that's 2.90 a month. wow... they are really ripping people off. bunch of children and irresponsible adults i swear to god...
Apparently thats a bit to big of a word for you cause it doesn't apply to either MS or Live.
if every online gaming service charged a fee then your statement would hold some water.but seeing how live is the ONLY one that charges anything it shows someone is being greedy.and plz don't come with that LIVE is so much better then PSN and Nintendos online service.yes it is hands down everyday of the week,but its been out about 5times longer and was created by a company that was bulit on computers and the internet.
I could understand the fee if at some part of the "Charge" chain we got a nice discount,but in fact its the opposite.we are over charged at every stop.the system is $300+,the games are $60+tax,Live $50,a extra controller $50,a upgraded HDD $120+,a memory card $40,a face plate $20,most XBLA games are $10 and nearly all suck,to rent a movie is more then blockbuster,to buy a tv "dvd"show is more then you'll pay at ANY store,DLC is WILDLY over priced,wireless apt $100+ and then to beat all of that they tell you how and where you can use all of this content with their dam DRM and bans..
yet when some customers comment "GIVE US A BREAK" we get the "THE NEXT GEN IS SO EXPENSIVE TO DEV GAMES FOR"..give me a dam break,technology gets cheaper not the other way around like with MS.look at the price of PC equipment from 3 years ago and they are 1/8-1/4 the price,yet a console and its acc's with a much larger install base over the same time span has yet to drop even 1/8 of its price.thats price gouging my friend and its good for them but bad for us.
ive been a hardcore gamer since 85 and im almost to the point of becoming a none gamer because of the price gouging and the lack of quality in both the systems and games. you know why Nintendo's wii is doing so well?because its cheap and doesn't mess around with all the ticky tack BS that MS is doing with the 360.you know why the ps3 is doing so poorly?because its over priced and 9 out of every 10 games can be played on a cheaper system.well that is until you start diving into live and the acc's.
i for one hardly ever play on live anymore and the number one reason is matchmaking.i have 3 kids and work from home so i cant just sit on the couch and play games all day like most of the live geeks so my skills arent always up to par,yet when i log onto a MP game over live im consistently over matched because i have no chance against someone that has been playing the game 12hr a day for over a week when ive only logged 2 hr's myself.
that in and of itself shows that live is nothing more then bare bones connect me to the guys in Cal and FL type of service and its not worth $4mo.i tell you a better way of running live now that it has all of these moves and DLC crap. make the ppl that want to use that part of live pay like everyone does now for gold,yet ppl like me that just want to play online every now and then and talk with my friends should have that for free.after all doesn't the 1k i just spent on a system and a few games and acc's count for something?