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xjustsumloserx

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« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2008, 02:13:00 AM »

As of now M$ does not have much to worry about as wii online is a joke, and the PS3 is still "months" away from having something as well put together as the 360 online.  Steam is great for PC gamers, I love it, hell it works in linux/osx perfectly through wine or Crossover.  But steam still is not up to where xbox live is IMO.  

By this time next year, I do see M$ needing to do SOMETHING.  I don't mind the fee as I play a lot of online games.  As of now, the only thing extra we get is access to demo's earlier sometimes.  And gone are the days where DLC was free in just about every game.  

IMO things that would give xbox live "gold" that polished look for your buck would be something along the lines of some or all of these:
*One free movie rental a month (Personally, I would be happy with just this)
*100 M$ points each month, or 1200 total each year
*Less advertisements on our game console
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« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2008, 02:29:00 AM »

XBL is great and all, BUT i would have less of a hard time swallowing $50 if they offered DEDICATED SERVERS!  At least for the most popular competitive MP games (Halo 3, Gears, etc.)  Peer to Peer (host advantage/ non host disadvantage) is an asinine way to setup competitive gaming.  It seems crazy that a peer to peer service is $50.
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« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2008, 02:47:00 AM »

QUOTE(Foe-hammer @ Jun 18 2008, 10:05 AM) View Post

XBL is great and all, BUT i would have less of a hard time swallowing $50 if they offered DEDICATED SERVERS!  At least for the most popular competitive MP games (Halo 3, Gears, etc.)  Peer to Peer (host advantage/ non host disadvantage) is an asinine way to setup competitive gaming.  It seems crazy that a peer to peer service is $50.


I'm surprised noone else mentioned this, Foe.

Paying MS $50/£40 to use your 360 as a server on an Internet connection you pay for is outright disgraceful. If you are not going to host a dedicated server for a game, then make it playable online with a Silver account. Apart from matchmaking data, there's little else needed from MS to make it work.
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« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2008, 02:53:00 AM »

I enjoy the ps3 online but it just cant compete with xbox live, I do wish the price was lower..Could help me spend some cash on some arcade games or somethin.
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« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2008, 03:03:00 AM »

There has to be some servers somewhere cause where else would the leaderboards be kept?

Remember for $50 a year the onlything you get is the right to play games(that we just spend $66 for) online,everything else is already free with sliver.Im in the we shouldn't have to pay camp.EVERYTHING ON LIVE IS WAY OVERPRICED as it is.if anything they should be paying us $50 a year to have to deal with that stupid product placement.

it used to be that your $30-50 bought the game of your choice.play it anywhere you wanted,with whom you wanted and how you wanted no strings attached.but now with live that $66 you spend on a game just gets you the "RIGHT" to use the game how ever MS thinks it should be used..how did we as gamers lose the right of ownership to our consoles and software????
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« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2008, 03:25:00 AM »

Free arcade titles would do it (not undertow). Don't think I'm gonna renew Live, I've hardly played online as much as I'd hoped and most 360 games are on the PS3 now which you can play online for free.
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« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2008, 05:30:00 AM »

I tried to play a few games on psn. LOL i wasted about 3 hours and managedto get in about ½ a game of resistance. There is truely no way that psn compares to live. I do however agree tat there should be a new price point for live, $50 is a bit excessive, not to mention euro pricing i had no idea it was so high. Live is head and shoulders above the compitetion, and it will take them quite some time to catch up, unless they start charging a fee, and hire a full-time staff of  csr's, network techs, and implimentation directors.
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« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2008, 05:50:00 AM »

i am so tired of people that know know nothing about entrepreneurship bitching about fees and why they should get shit for free. open your own business for one month. see how many "thank you gifts" and free things you give out. its a luxury you morons. if pc and wii are free, pack your bags and ditch the xbox ship... it's not like they are charging you double for health insurance or taxing the food your eat. f*ing grow up.   rolleyes.gif   muhaha.gif you can get live on amazon for 35$ for 12 months. that's 2.90 a month. wow... they are really ripping people off.  bunch of children and irresponsible adults i swear to god...
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« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2008, 06:11:00 AM »

Come on its MS, they want every cent they can rape out of your wallet.

Look at the cost of the 20GB and 120GB HDDs and wireless network adapter...

Enough said...
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« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2008, 06:40:00 AM »

If you have ever played on PS3 PSN network you wont mind paying for XBOX live.

Although PSN is free, most games dont work properly on launch online. Just look at GTA4 and COD4. Also no ingame dash, no in game messaging, no voice, a no proper integrated store.

With Xbox live you know it will just work smile.gif

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ThUgLoVe

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« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2008, 06:48:00 AM »

QUOTE(hamwbone @ Jun 18 2008, 07:26 AM) View Post

i am so tired of people that know know nothing about entrepreneurship bitching about fees and why they should get shit for free. open your own business for one month. see how many "thank you gifts" and free things you give out. its a luxury you morons. if pc and wii are free, pack your bags and ditch the xbox ship... it's not like they are charging you double for health insurance or taxing the food your eat. f*ing grow up.   rolleyes.gif   muhaha.gif you can get live on amazon for 35$ for 12 months. that's 2.90 a month. wow... they are really ripping people off.  bunch of children and irresponsible adults i swear to god...



Apparently thats a bit to big of a word for you cause it doesn't apply to either MS or Live.

if every online gaming service charged a fee then your statement would hold some water.but seeing how live is the ONLY one that charges anything it shows someone is being greedy.and plz don't come with that LIVE is so much better then PSN and Nintendos online service.yes it is hands down everyday of the week,but its been out about 5times longer and was created by a company that was bulit on computers and the internet.

I could understand the fee if at some part of the "Charge" chain we got a nice discount,but in fact its the opposite.we are over charged at every stop.the system is $300+,the games are $60+tax,Live $50,a extra controller $50,a upgraded HDD $120+,a memory card $40,a face plate $20,most XBLA games are $10 and nearly all suck,to rent a movie is more then blockbuster,to buy a tv "dvd"show is more then you'll pay at ANY store,DLC is WILDLY over priced,wireless apt $100+ and then to beat all of that they tell you how and where you can use all of this content with their dam DRM and bans..

yet when some customers comment "GIVE US A BREAK" we get the "THE NEXT GEN IS SO EXPENSIVE TO DEV GAMES FOR"..give me a dam break,technology gets cheaper not the other way around like with MS.look at the price of PC equipment from 3 years ago and they are 1/8-1/4 the price,yet a console and its acc's with a much larger install base over the same time span has yet to drop even 1/8 of its price.thats price gouging my friend and its good for them but bad for us.

ive been a hardcore gamer since 85 and im almost to the point of becoming a none gamer because of the price gouging and the lack of quality in both the systems and games. you know why Nintendo's wii is doing so well?because its cheap and doesn't mess around with all the ticky tack BS that MS is doing with the 360.you know why the ps3 is doing so poorly?because its over priced and 9 out of every 10 games can be played on a cheaper system.well that is until you start diving into live and the acc's.

i for one hardly ever play on live anymore and the number one reason is matchmaking.i have 3 kids and work from home so i cant just sit on the couch and play games all day like most of the live geeks so my skills arent always up to par,yet when i log onto a MP game over live im consistently over matched because i have no chance against someone that has been playing the game 12hr a day for over a week when ive only logged 2 hr's myself.

that in and of itself shows that live is nothing more then bare bones connect me to the guys in Cal and FL type of service and its not worth $4mo.i tell you a better way of running live now that it has all of these moves and DLC crap. make the ppl that want to use that part of live pay like everyone does now for gold,yet ppl like me that just want to play online every now and then and talk with my friends should have that for free.after all doesn't the 1k i just spent on a system and a few games and acc's count for something?
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« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2008, 08:07:00 AM »

Why not take a look at things the way they truly are?

Xbox LIVE's servers do not host multiplayer for major 360 games like Halo and Call of Duty 4. They may for XBLA games, but to be honest I don't play those sorry games. If the majority of consumers need to be charged for people to play XBLA games On-line, then that is BULL****.


Microsoft basicly put up a Toll-Booth between the Xbox and the gaming servers. Clients are not allowed to connect to gaming servers unless they pay a "fee" of $50.

If you really think about it, it is truly insane. You pay $60 for game and you are only receiving half of the experience of the game unless you pay Microsoft $50. So to play one game....Halo 3 for instance, it will cost you $110 + tax.


No, it's not right to charge for Xbox Live. It's not right to nickle and dime consumers every chance you get.
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« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2008, 09:08:00 AM »

I don;t see what the big deal is.  Live cost 50 bucks a year.  If I can get the live service for an entire year for less than I pay for 1 tank of gas I'm happy.
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« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2008, 09:33:00 AM »

QUOTE(pingrr @ Jun 18 2008, 10:44 AM) View Post

I don;t see what the big deal is.  Live cost 50 bucks a year.  If I can get the live service for an entire year for less than I pay for 1 tank of gas I'm happy.



no one is saying $50 is alot of money.its the point that after all the money we spent on the 360 setup,all of the ads,the price of the games ect that we are then asked to spend more to get FULL use of those items.

say Honda made a car that costs 25k,and everytime you take it for a drive you not only have to pay the NORMAL costs of operating the car but Honda put a device on the ignition that tax's you $.01 each time you turn the key.now lets also say the reason for the tax is because gas prices are so high right now and the fact they be leave their cars are simply better made..

would you then call that BS or would you be OK with that?
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« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2008, 09:46:00 AM »

QUOTE(ThUgLoVe @ Jun 18 2008, 05:39 AM) View Post
but now with live that $66 you spend on a game just gets you the "RIGHT" to use the game how ever MS thinks it should be used..how did we as gamers lose the right of ownership to our consoles and software????

Use system link... if the game doesn't support it that's not M$ telling you how the game should be used.

I have a question. To the people in EU. Can you buy a card from the U.S.A. and use it? I mean if the cards are region locked that'd be typical M$. If they aren't I'd be willing to buy cards and give people the numbers for near free. If anyone knows, please tell me. I mean if you can get a live card for $50 or £40, pay me $60 and get it cheaper! 59.99€ is just crazy to think about. I wouldn't pay. Even then, could you make an account for a different region and use their card?? I think that might be the best shot at working.

BTW, club.live used to have Live subscription cards. So you could play games and earn a year of Live for "free".
So _technically_ xbox live could be considered free by the nitpicky people out there. (not me) M$ is giving you a way to get live for free. The prizes rotate, so anyone looking now will have to wait.

I always thought on PS2, companies like EA were charging for their online gaming? and Isn't there going to be a paid service on PSN?? Why didn't the article bring up that point? Face it, All Three Companies are going to charge you to play online.

Now what's ridiculous is WoW. Isn't it like $15 a month?? And that's ONE game.
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