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« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2008, 02:35:00 AM »

So, anyone with black,white,red,yellow or any other color descriptive word in their GT has to be banned too right? Those words could be used to describe a race, which is against the TOS?

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« Reply #31 on: May 16, 2008, 10:54:00 AM »

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Ugh ok homophobe. Ugh did your father or mother teach you to be straight? When did this talk occur? Oh ya, that's what I thought. Your FEAR of somebody telling your son what "gay" speaks volumes about your homophobia.



What dmb said is not homophobic at all. It's a preference. Saying "I don't want my children to learn about homosexuality through XBL, he can learn when he's older" is different from saying "I don't want my children to learn about homosexuality at all. I want to completely hide and shelter him from all aspects of homosexuality for the rest of his life", which is not what he said at all.

He simply does not feel that his son is old enough to start learning about homosexuality, especially on XBL. How is that homophobic? There are people who don't want their children to read the bible, go to church or pray to god. They don't discriminate against Christians or those that do read the Bible, they just prefer that they and their Children do not participate in the Christian religion. Does that make them Anti-Christians? Does that mean that they have an irrational fear/hate (as is a phobia) of Christians? No, it simply means that their preferences are to not participate in Christian religion. Just because DMB said he doesn't want his 10 year old learning about homosexuality at 10, doesn't mean he's being homophobic.

In the same way, it's kinda like how your parents don't tell you (at least they shouldn't) about the Birds and the Bees until they feel you're old enough. Would you want someone explaining to a 10 year old how to have sex and get a girl pregnant on XBL? Would you want someone explaining to a 10 year old how gay men have sex and why they can't have babies? XBL is not really the place to learn life lessons, especially from someone you really don't know at all....

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Facts: Heterosexuality is oftens backed up with an unatural sense of masculinity. Thus, why men are so violent. While the "gaygamer" gets scapegoated.

Why don't you start thinking for yourself, bigot.


Where did you get the masculinity bit from? Completely irrelevant. Which men are violent? All men are violent? Does that include the homosexual men? Are you saying homosexual men can't be masculine too?

It sounds to be like you're thinking at all, and the name calling doesn't help your weak argument much either.

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I wonder what other aspects of humanity you shelter from your children... but I am sure they are allowed to play games rated M with head tearing off action, hell if they were playing games designed for kids their own age I doubt they would ever run into someone who has discovered their sexuality, not too many sexually aware viva pinata players.


Very weak argument. How do you have any idea what kind of games his kids are allowed to play? Just because most of the games you know are M-rated head chopping shooters, doesn't mean his kid doesn't play other non-violent games. Your ignorance is further demonstrated by your ability to only list Viva Pinata as a game designed for kids.

http://www.target.com/Xbox-360-E-Rated-Vid...p;node=16075351

There's quite a few E-rated games there that both little kids, teenagers, and grown adults could be playing online (namely the sports games). Burnout Paradise too. Why would 10 year old DMB junior want to learn about men holding hands after a round of NBA Live 08?


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So, anyone with black,white,red,yellow or any other color descriptive word in their GT has to be banned too right? Those words could be used to describe a race, which is against the TOS?


It depends on the full gamertag. The whole situation here is how a word is interpreted. In America, the word Gay can be interpreted to mean happy, homosexual, or stupid (like when people say "that's gay", but aren't really talking about something homosexual). Most people interpret gay as meaning homosexual.

Black,white, red, yellow, or any other color word can only describe a race with other describing words attached to it.

If your gamertag is YellowAndBlackMustangGT, no one's going to think of your race, they're going to think of your car.

If your gamertag is BlackGamer808, your gamertag will get banned. If somehow it doesn't get banned, you'd certainly get flamed to hell anyways.

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Why does being gay equate sex? This is a crazy notion. The gamertag clearly refers to the love of another man. How dare Microsoft ban this while hatred runs ramped in more gamertags than not.


That statement is very contradictory and very ridiculous.

There is no question that the gamer involved in this situation wanted the "gayer" in his name to represent his sexual orientation. Why are people still trying to say that there's a different meaning to the word gay? If that's how the guy wanted  it to be used, then that's how it should be looked at.

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I fail to see where 'gay' is a slur, especially if the guy happens to be gay. Anything can be considered 'offensive' to somebody out there.


Very easy.

Westward Elementary school in Middleton, Virginia (I just made that up, I don't think it exists)

Lunchtime. The 3rd grade kids are at the playground. Bully Tim gathers his friends and says, let's all pick on  Little Johnny.

A minute later, Little Johnny is surrounded by Bully Tim and his henchmen being called "gay", "queer", "faggot", and other similar names.

The school principal comes to the playground, breaks up the circle and takes Bully Tim and all his friends to his office.

He asks Bully Tim and his friends where they learned such foul language at such a young age.

One by one, they all eventually reveal that they learned those names by hearing other people say them to a certain player (By the gamertag of "theGAYERgamer") after an intense, neck-to-neck race in Burnout Paradise.

But don't worry, Little Johnny wasn't permanently hurt by the situation. In fact, he's now a very sucessful multi-platinum record producer. Little Johnny all grown up


and so on and so on. Excuse the lame story, but you get the point. You might not find it offensive, but others will. Little kids aren't ready to handle things like homosexuality, especially on XBL...

This post has been edited by Trevante: May 16 2008, 06:01 PM
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« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2008, 02:39:00 PM »

QUOTE(dmb062082 @ May 15 2008, 04:59 PM) View Post

I wouldnt want my 10 year old playing with this guy or talking to him, no thanks. Not with a tag like that. Little kids do not need to be opened up to the world of gay men through video games.  Let them find out when they get older, or learn more from someone else, like his/her mother or father, not the Gay gamer.

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« Reply #33 on: May 17, 2008, 05:46:00 AM »

QUOTE(jimmysbluecat @ May 16 2008, 01:51 PM) View Post

Than maybe you should call the press and have an official statement where you explain what areas are designated for protest.... Hey that sounds a lot like free speech zones... I am just throwing this out there but are you a W fan¿

Still on the soapbox, i see...

If by "W fan" you mean Wyoming Cowboys, then yes.  But what does that have to do with anything?  Or are you going to use some other fallacy statement (you have all ready used Red Herring and Slipper Slope) to back up your argument?  You are very predictable.
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« Reply #34 on: May 18, 2008, 07:41:00 PM »

QUOTE(UHYVE @ May 16 2008, 02:45 AM) View Post

It's not a sexual innuendo though. I kind of agree with Microsoft, if they are actually willing to ban a gamertag like "TheHeterosexualGamer". But their ToS really needs some looking at. Legally speaking, "TheGayerGamer" is not an innuendo, it is just a statement with no hidden connotations (i.e. Not an innuendo). You would think that the lawyers at Microsoft would have a grasp at the English language, but contrary to Microsoft's PR statement about this incident, there is no rule about having a gamertag like the one in question (I can't think of any rule that this gamertag is breaking, seriously, look up the word innuendo). I think Microsoft need to state in their ToS that no gamertag is allowed of any sexual nature, but as it is, this rule isn't currently in place, Microsoft have no grounds to ban "TheGayerGamer".

PS Typing "define: Innuendo" into google:
"A hint or indirect suggestion, often with a sinister connatation."
So, no, Microsoft are in the wrong here. I agree with the concept of no sexual content on Xbox Live, but they actually need to state it in their ToS if they are going to start banning people.


+1 you nailed it exactly. It is NOT innuendo as their TOS. Nothing was violated by the name - but that's besides the point. As someone else mentioned just go into the gameplay on live and you'll hear far worse things than "GAYER".
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« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2008, 11:40:00 AM »

QUOTE(UHYVE @ May 16 2008, 02:45 AM) View Post

It's not a sexual innuendo though.

PS Typing "define: Innuendo" into google:
"A hint or indirect suggestion, often with a sinister connatation."
So, no, Microsoft are in the wrong here. I agree with the concept of no sexual content on Xbox Live, but they actually need to state it in their ToS if they are going to start banning people.


 How is gay in "TheGayerGamer" not a hint or indirect suggestion of his sexuality, especially when he's already admitted the "Gayer" was a reference to his own sexuality. Saying he's the "Gayer" gamer could mean he's happier, as a double meaning, but the "hint or indirect suggestion" is still there.
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« Reply #36 on: May 27, 2008, 01:40:00 PM »

QUOTE(Trevante @ May 16 2008, 05:54 PM) View Post


Just because DMB said he doesn't want his 10 year old learning about homosexuality at 10, doesn't mean he's being homophobic.


Yes it does. Point being sex is not taught its learned. And it's rediculous to think that gay people can't control themselves into "tricking" or "teaching" little boys on xbox live. There is no evidence to suggest that homosexuals spread their views. I'd argue that ANY sexual preference or orientation should never be taught on xbox live, however the heterosexual lifestyle is taught everyday, but how come nobody sees the danger in this? The danger being that more heterosexuals are pedophilics. Oh, and the fact that nobody can live up to the "categorical heterosexual."


QUOTE(Trevante @ May 16 2008, 05:54 PM) View Post
Where did you get the masculinity bit from? Completely irrelevant. Which men are violent? All men are violent? Does that include the homosexual men? Are you saying homosexual men can't be masculine too?



No its not. You must define heterosexuality and homosexuality in order for it to violate the TOS. How is homosexuality and heterosexuality sexually explicit? Saying he is a gay gamer does not say that he likes to suck some other guys balls. Maybe he is asexual, but loves men. Simply put, How can you define gay through a sexual act? Heterosexuality is not defined by the sexual act, but rather gender roles.

I retract my previous statement on personal attacks and I apologize if I offended anybody.
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