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[HotKnife420]

QUOTE(Master Reefed @ Jan 11 2008, 10:36 PM)

Fuck Dr.Phil and him trying to make a buck off this!
Dr. Phil the fat fuck, he has one of the best selling diet books in the country...only in America.

 Dr. Phil didn't instigate this matter at all; his opinion was solicited by the "victim". Aside from that, I've never thought of him as anywhere near fat.

QUOTE(Master Reefed @ Jan 11 2008, 10:36 PM)

*edit*but I totally agree that if black people dont wanna hear white people say the word, they shouldnt use it so often.  N this, and N that...I mean WTF?

its not like white people go around callin each other cracker, or honkey.
but in this kids defense, it sounds as if he is heavily sheltered, so he probably dont use the word himself.

 You're acting like this was something that just started. Back when racism was more rampant in American society, and acts of violence weren't uncommon to follow a racial slur (from the slurring party, that is), 'nigger' was a word commonly used against blacks. Then they used it amongst themselves, only using it to denote something positive, rather than something negative, in order to help the word be less 'powerful'.

 Mind you, that idea didn't exactly work, as now you got kids of all colors who want to use it in the same colloquial way, however the color of their skin will instantly make someone tag them a racist, regardless of if they're using this colloquialism in a positive or negative way.

[Steve-0]

Racism is just a pigment of our imaginations!

[Straight Outta Compton]

Just get the guy to load up a simple game of Halo 3, or as much as I love it, Gears of War. It's easy to come across a huge racist guy once in awhile. I have games where all the person says the whole game is 'fuck N_____'. What's even worse is when other users agree with them.

File Complaint + Bad feedback is all I can do really..

[feflicker]

Ever heard of mute? How about being a parent and not letting your young kids onto a voice service with teens and adults who have nothing better to do than talk trash from thousands of miles away?

Not to mention the reason you need multiple infractions before being punished is simple: Audio is not being recorded, so MS$ cannot prove if you ever really did say what you are accused of saying. We can't have it where all it takes is (1) person to complain and you are banned. Could you imagine? We'd all be banned. Every time I snipe someone and they get pissed off they'll just have me banned because they are poor sports... I think MS$ is already doing the LOGICAL and REASONABLE thing here. What else could they be doing!?

[Tony42077]

QUOTE(Master Reefed @ Jan 11 2008, 10:36 PM)

Fuck Dr.Phil and him trying to make a buck off this!
Dr. Phil the fat fuck, he has one of the best selling diet books in the country...only in America.

lol

WTF is he a doctor of anyway? Oprah's last doctor killed Kanye West's mother. Or how about that douchebag that shows up in OR scrubs. All of the middle-aged housewives will believe anything that pompous bag-o-shit says. But wait, she gave away cars one time, I guess she's cool...
lol

[HotKnife420]

Why can't they figure out how to use DRM against racism instead of entertainment media?

[Molten Universe]

I live in Australia, and we all sound a little different from where we come from, but you can tell how old someone is by the sound of their voice. When I play online I most always play with my mates, and we don't go out insulting people in the lobby's and such, but I cannot tell you how many American boys that sound like girls aged 8-14 (cant tell how old cuz they sound like girls, and shouldn't be playing it anyway if they are 10 anyways) that are always starting fights and shit, its just not needed... and I'm not trying to piss of any Americans, its just my personal experience, and I understand your not all like that.

But from my experience, I can tell this guy on Dr Phil that THIS WILL HAPPEN, 90% of the time its not directed at you, but shit will be said and yeah, just mute them. This is just as bad as that sex in mass effect or whatever, the conservatives are getting a bit too strict. (WHICH IS BS)

[Kr0n1k]

This guy is letting his 13 year old son play COD: 4. I believe it says M rated 17+ on the box. Hmmm. Doesn't excuse the behavior of alot of the people on Live, but his parenting should have brought into question as well. These types of people are the reason the gaming community is continuously brought into question. When you conduct yourself in the manner that some people do on Live, or any online forum/game/community, of course there will be social and political backlash. And it starts with parents who simply don't pay attention or don't care, that allow their kids to play games online and play violent military shooters and games like Manhunt 2 and GTA. Then, when they actually see the game, or hear someone on Live ranting and raving about a certain race, culture, religion, the parents are outraged and want someone else to solve the problem. Well, here's my solution, look in the mirror, because the problems starts with bad parenting. Most of the guilty party is underage and their parents are no where to be found. Would some of them be outraged if they heard what their children are saying? Of course. But some wouldn't, and most would brush it off and avoid the situation. You learn how to be an adult from your parents, it dosen't just happen when you turn 18.

[ProphetOfPain]

hahaha, hecklin is all part of the WHOLE experience.. I'm from New Orleans and people slander me for being black.. but i'm white.. makes it really easy to take in stride, but I do think racism on live is totally wrong, even coming from someone who smack talks BACK.  I never start, but there is always someone who will.    Long live live ?  hip hip

[xmod4u]

racism is delaying the evolution of mankind.

You have to think of the whole thing from a planet point of view, until we do, we ain't going nowhere.


As for Live, kids are kids!
They are rude to each other in school and so many other places, Live ain't no different.

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I called Xbox Live. I gave them all the information they needed to know, and they told me before they can do anything, take any kind of action, there has to be 10 complaints filed against [the other player]," he said, blood boiling.

"That's like you coming to my house, robbing me, and I call the police. Are they going to tell me, 'Well, if that guy comes back to your house 10 times, we'll come out and do something about it'? I think that's disgusting. I think Mr. Gates needs to change that rule, and I think it needs to be changed immediately.

That is a very bad analogy, it would make a bit more sens if he "pretends to rob you"...

If they would ban every user that gets one complaint, every one would be banned in 3 days!!
they have to make it a process to discouraged idiots from making false accusations leading to unnecessary bans.


felt like posting tonight, this was my target thread.

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This post has been edited by xmod4u: Jan 12 2008, 06:18 AM

[Trevante]

QUOTE(Kr0n1k @ Jan 11 2008, 11:09 PM)

This guy is letting his 13 year old son play COD: 4. I believe it says M rated 17+ on the box. Hmmm. Doesn't excuse the behavior of alot of the people on Live, but his parenting should have brought into question as well. These types of people are the reason the gaming community is continuously brought into question. When you conduct yourself in the manner that some people do on Live, or any online forum/game/community, of course there will be social and political backlash. And it starts with parents who simply don't pay attention or don't care, that allow their kids to play games online and play violent military shooters and games like Manhunt 2 and GTA. Then, when they actually see the game, or hear someone on Live ranting and raving about a certain race, culture, religion, the parents are outraged and want someone else to solve the problem. Well, here's my solution, look in the mirror, because the problems starts with bad parenting. Most of the guilty party is underage and their parents are no where to be found. Would some of them be outraged if they heard what their children are saying? Of course. But some wouldn't, and most would brush it off and avoid the situation. You learn how to be an adult from your parents, it dosen't just happen when you turn 18.

It shouldn't matter what game he's playing or what the rating is. Just becuse the game is rated M for mature, doesn't mean then that we should expect to hear racial slurs when playing online. That's not what the M stands for. The M means that the game contains scenes of violence and other possible content that may not be suitable for people who are not yet mature enough to view that content. If a parent feels his 13 year old son can handle the content in Call of Duty 4, then he shouldn't expect any of the problems he experienced just because the game is rated M.

He shouldn't look at the M for mature rating and think "Great, I'm playing deathmatch against the KKK". There's the warning that the game play experience may change online, but that applies to any online game, regardless of it's rating. Even if he was playing a game that's rated E for Everyone, it doesn't mean you're any less likely to hear racial slurs or cursing from other players.

How do you know that most of the guilty party is underage? What does it even matter how old they are? Racism is racism, whether it's from a 12 year old or 22 year old. What about those that are grown enough to know what they're doing and still use racial slurs when playing online?

[MrFish]

QUOTE(spinjunky @ Jan 11 2008, 09:23 PM)

My wife called me in to watch this guy.  I felt bad for him because he felt genuinely scared by the things that were said to him.  The racist on live was telling him that he was going to google him, find him and kill his kids.
I felt bad for him because he understood so little of what was going on.  He really thought someone could find him through his gamertag.  

Not implausible, given that Microsoft's call centers are staffed by chimpanzees.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/09/xb...ount_takeovers/

[spinjunky]

QUOTE(MrFish @ Jan 11 2008, 08:10 PM)

Not implausible, given that Microsoft's call centers are staffed by chimpanzees.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/09/xb...ount_takeovers/

I totally agree that it is possible... anything is right?.   I personally couldn't get jack out of the few reps that I talked to.  I wanted to change an account that I didn't have the last 4 digits for the credit card that I signed up with.  They wouldn't budge.

I would think that with the "new" procedures for account security in place and especially now that Dr. Phil has put a fire under them, that your chances of finding real info for a gamertag would be quite hard.
Obviously, if you had one piece of real info to go along with the gamertag you chances would be much greater.

You would have to really really want that info and I just don't think that most recreational gamers have that kind of commitment.

[Chancer]

QUOTE(GuntherMP5 @ Jan 12 2008, 12:52 AM)

Are they just going to check for racism against blacks or are they going total PC. I admit to trash talking the French when I am playing COD4, but nobody likes the French, for that matter other than Americans no one really likes Americans that much. It's just trash talk , I am personally happy that they get to play COD4, it's probably the closest they will ever get to fighting in a war, but trash talking is part of the game, especially when you can't understand a damn thing the Frogs are saying.

Discussing the topic = one thing, but you have just proved on here that you are a a racist
 Check the bits highlighted in bold.
 That is not acceptable on here

[ElGato]

They are all just words, and every time anybody gets offended by them, the more powerfull they become, and unfortunately the more frequently they will get used.

If everyone, and I mean everyone chose to ignore the N word, including the press, and especially the people to whom it is directed, it would lose all it's "power" and become meaningless. The bullies, and lets face it, that's all they are, will move on to what ever next causes the most reaction.