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QUOTE(setharial @ Sep 6 2007, 03:13 PM)

Man you are a moron.  Has no value??? I bet that beta has more value than anything you own.

use your brain dude before you spit out sentences like that.

Well then i guess its more worth then you you trouserstain
So how much have you paid for the beta.... and how much do you think the software company are makeing of it as in free advertisment and people that for free are testing the software for them... hmmm i guess that someone is not useing his brain anyway....

First i guess noone is going to DIE from a 24h ban.... It is the principle of the whole thing. But ok you broke the TOS so i guess you all should be HAPPY that they dont bann you for life... or? How about when you go to the supermarket to buy milk... come home and notice that it is youghurt in it? Should you think "oh... well at least it wasnt old! At least it wasnt favored with shit!" I might be stupid but i think that companies that you pay for a product or service should take care of there customers and help them and, ill go on a limb here and say it, be kinda HAPPY that YOU buy there products.... Am i wrong? Or is society so fucked up nowdays that you should say "oh here is all my money and THANK YOU for letting me buy from you!! It is ok that it dont work, that i have sent in for repair 3times... at least i had warranty on it... kinda..."

[jonlewi5]

QUOTE(master_p @ Sep 6 2007, 09:17 PM)

First of all, it's our hardware, not theirs. Secondly, if you think they're protecting it, how about all the design flaws they have yet to fix, or even moreso, all the errors you can get that ARE NOT covered by warranty (lasers no longer reading games, overheating, disc scratching, etc).

 Their service's integrity, I'm all for protecting. If I'm paying for this so-called "service", then I don't want to play with a bunch of cheaters (ie people doing glitches and hacks to get an unfair advantage).

 The beta being closed, in my own opinion, is stupid. Be that as it may, I do *accept* the fact that they *can* do what they want to about it. I just think they're in the wrong.

 I almost got arrested once for vending without the proper license for a very specific area of town. I explained to the officer what I was doing, and showed the licenses I had. He then told me he wasn't going to do anything, because even though the 'letter' of the law was to arrest me, he felt it wasn't in the 'spirit' of the law. Just because a bunch of people wanted to get in on an improperly handled and improperly channeled beta by doing something that's technically wrong, recieving a punishment for it is more wrong.
 Is that what those little brown things are? I thought they were just special stones to throw at lakes with goldfish in them. When I buy something at the gas station (93 octane) or wherever for that matter, I'm usually the guy who'll leave a nickel in the penny tray, just because. I may goto the bar, and spend over $100 in a night. I almost never buy off-brand items (except for electronics that were rebranded anyway; with them you research specs instead of brands). I pay over $500 for a 1 bedroom apartment, and I spend over $1500 a year on BOTTLED WATER.  That being said, you can see that $7 a month is not a freaking issue to me. I would just PREFER that M$ actually give me something for that money, rather than simply charging me to "unlock" the multiplayer aspect of games (which is ALL THEY DO; prove me wrong).

you do not own the xbox u are "renting" it

[Fyb3roptik]

QUOTE(Ge4orce @ Sep 6 2007, 10:45 AM)

If you buy something new and open it, it then becomes used.  It always has been that way and always will be that way.

Once you drive a new car off a dealership lot it then becomes used even if it only has 1 more mile on it.

I don't see any problems with that anyways.  Funny thing is I know someone who sent in a broken xbox 360 and in return received a brand new one in return.  Interesting huh?

Oh and for the record, the BST is a great place to find single items or rare and hard to find ones too.

QUOTE(Ge4orce @ Sep 6 2007, 01:15 PM)

You have a good argument however if I did bring in my new car for repair it would most likely have a warranty.  So they would fix my current car. I would not expect a new car at all.  So yes on the account of if they can't service it I would definetly expect a new car in return. (Under Warranty of course)

I don't know much of the xbox 360s referb'd by MS but how do you know they are several months old?  Or several months used for that matter.

Damn, that's way off the topic at hand.  Sorry about that.

Another thing to consider is this. The service center for Microsoft has no "NEW" consoles on hand. If they were to send you a BRAND NEW console then there are legality issues with that. Whereas with a car for instance you KNOW they have new cars on the lot, but at a service center you dont KNOW its a NEW console you are getting so you could therefore sue microsoft. So that is why they only give out REFURB consoles now. Did they give out some new consoles? YES. Will they now? NO

[baghnah]

quit crying because you cant play xbox for a day. try doing something else with that time, like having a life. u violated the TOS, and ms had rights to ban permanently, but they were nice and only did it for a day. try getting the beta the legit way.

[Master Reefed]

QUOTE(Autoinfanticide @ Sep 6 2007, 09:10 AM)

So when little old ladies drop money, i assume you must just picl it up and walk off, correct?
           

little old ladies got too much money anyway.   lol



*edit*  shit you people are longwinded!

[Shatcore]

NO ONE IS GETTING BANNED

http://www.majornelson.com/

Xbox Live Bans and you

I’ve seen a few stories circulating today about a huge Xbox LIVE banning related to the COD4 beta. I went and chatted with the ban hammer folks, and confirmed what I suspected: We did NOT ban tens of thousands of folks yesterday as some are reporting. As many of you know we do sometimes have to take action against accounts and consoles that violate the Xbox LIVE Terms of Use.  Although we’re really impressed with the excitement around the Call of Duty 4 multiplayer beta, I do want to take this moment to point out that that the steps I’ve been reading about that some people have been trying to take to get in on the beta without their own token could very well violate our Terms of Use.

Remember that sharing accounts isn’t just a violation of the terms, which could get you banned, it’s actually not a good thing to do in general.  People can get details about you or content from you, or try to take action against you when you do something like that.  It is your responsibility to keep your account information safe.  Regarding the COD4 beta, the best advice I can give in a situation like this is try and be patient.  We know you all want to play, and we think that’s great, but if you break the rules, you can be banned.

Major Nelson

Xbox scene, you really need to evaluate your "insiders"

[Kr0n1k]

This site has sooo many nitwits and dumbasses on it. You break the ToS, you get banned. Wow, and this is rocket science to you people? Here's a good example. I walk past say, a clothing store or something of that nature. They're closed, but they accidently left the back door open. If you're thinking "I'd rob it!" then you should be exterminated, because you are the reason this world is shit.

[qtm97]

Absolutely pathetic!

Isn't it M$ problem that they left this loophole in the first place? And they PUNISH their users for it?!

I wasn't affected by this, but it pisses me off and smacks of big brother in the live community.

[jonlewi5]

QUOTE(halofun121 @ Sep 7 2007, 03:41 AM)

Umm..renting something means you are in possession of it temporarily. I don't know about you, but I bought my Xbox 360, and it's mine. The whole thing here is about the Xbox LIVE ToS, an online service which has rules that you agree to abide by when you sign up. Frankly, banning people because of a flaw on their part is kind of outrageous. You'd think the devs would be happy with all these extra people being able to test the beta, but instead they go ahead and kick em off for 24 hours and make them wait because of their own development mistake. Sad. If Microsoft keeps up this dictatorship mentality people will really start complaining.

i agree that m$ are constantly taking the piss out of there customers these days.

but no you dnt actually own the xbox as such, its like a sim card for a phone, or a credit/debit card, it may be under your possesion but you never really own it

[Master Reefed]

LOL

[majik655]

QUOTE(halofun121 @ Sep 7 2007, 12:50 PM)

That doesn't make any sense. It does belong to you. It's not a cable box being rented from the cable company, I'm not paying rent for the damn thing. It is MINE. End of story! Granted, if you are talking about Microsoft's "iron hand" (their strict rules), that still doesn't make it theirs. They may think they know what's best, and try and brainwash their consumers, but it belongs to me.

You own HARDWARE not the CODE/SOFTWARE.. you license the code/software to USE it on the piece of hardware you purchased...

Without the code/software you have a heavy plastic brick!

And there's alot of code/software in that box THAT is what you are licensing.

[hurlamania]

I used the download history 2 profile method to share lots of files not on live anymore with others i see it has been fix has ne1 found a new way?