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[charles648]

Well I cooked it for 15min at 425 with heatsinks installed and no luck - RROD.. I guess my 360 is toast. The Caps were sizzling and the solder looked very shiny after I took it out. I give up on this thing.

Kudos to the poster!  Maybe there might be something else to try in the future, you never know.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/uhh.gif)

[kuken101]

Im amazed it still starts after that torture haha. Maybe you should try the original technique.
Tried to get the real error code for it?
Tightened or losened your screws etc?

[adrenaline_wave]

QUOTE(charles648 @ Nov 21 2007, 11:55 PM)

Well I cooked it for 15min at 425 with heatsinks installed and no luck - RROD.. I guess my 360 is toast. The Caps were sizzling and the solder looked very shiny after I took it out. I give up on this thing.

Kudos to the poster!  Maybe there might be something else to try in the future, you never know..

Dude You need to reach the melting point of lead free solder. 425 is not hot enough.

Follow my original post but in your case (no shim) use two washers and tighten the bolts snug. You don't need to screw the bolts through the case. Neither of my 360s are are bolted through the case, only to the underside of the MOBO.  I cooked both at 450  (first bake was 400 for 10 , 450 for 10) and the second was just 450 for 10.

Don't throw it out. Mail me your 360 I will take it off you hands.



It may just be that this fix doesn't work but so far 3 out of 4 or 5 are working....


This will smell bad.. I would try preheating the oven to 450-460 and let it bake for 10 full minutes (or as long as you can bare) and then take it out and let it cool. Plug back into your tv (without casing or anything else other then power button.  see if it boots.  Open up the windows! If it does re-install in your case the way it is (bolts to underside of motherboard)

PM me if you want throw out your 360.. I do need a another power supply and tv cables (serious)

What is your seconday error code?

thanks.

[kuken101]

I had mine in 446-450 in 15 mins.
Its still working, im on day 3. Been playing Assassins Creed for like 5 hours now.

I know it will probably die soon enough but im happy that it works

[adrenaline_wave]

QUOTE(kuken101 @ Nov 22 2007, 05:26 PM)

I had mine in 446-450 in 15 mins.
Its still working, im on day 3. Been playing Assassins Creed for like 5 hours now.

I know it will probably die soon enough but im happy that it works

Yah

So mine died yesterday.. I was playing halo 3 (1080p) and it locked up. Rebooted played NFS it locked up, rebooted.  It seems awfully hot. Froze again yesterday and then the RROD.. So my idea has failed.  Mind you i'm happy i got about a month more use out of it.

I tightened the bolts on the x-clamp mod and it came back to life.  I baked it at 450 for 12 minutes. Cooled. Fired up and loaded game. Turned it off to put it back together , But I was watching CSI while I was tightening the bolts on the cpu, my socket slipped and took off two resistors.. Now it won't boot Get cpu error code 0022.. Feck.

Ohh well.. I will now use my second one I will keep you updated on how long this one lasts.

My guess why my first one failes after 23 days is that my shim wasn't thick enough and might not been putting enough pressure on the gpu.  When I removed the shimms it booted right away.

the first 360 looked liked the colors where washed out a bit  (whites too  bright). the second 360's colors looks so much darker and nicer so I'm not too upset i killed my first one.. Guess I don't need to spend 100$ on power and hd cables for it

LOL.

Aight Keep us up to date on your system too.

[charles648]

Hey everyone - I'm stuck on error code 0020 of course and I found out what happened to my 360.. Stupid MKIII method, I was aligning my 8 screws while putting in the motherboard and one of the screws tore into 2 traces by one of the hole on the GPU side... Officially TOAST now.. Nothing comes on anymore, not even the FANS of DVD eject now..

Going to do the "Swap the Box" method soon.

Peace out everyone!!



PS - Too bad to hear about that Adrenalin Wave.. Sucks.

[svincent]

ok, mine is officially toast now too...   15min @ 230oC (fan forced oven) and all the input plugs have melted so even if it could work i can't plug the power cord into it...lol...

I can tell you though, all the solder had liquified so i guess that is what i was aiming for..

SV

[williamh2777]

Hi, do you think this method would work with the x-clamps still attached? As I don't know where I can get hold of the parts and it seems a bit complicated. Whacking it in the oven sounds so much easier

[Gizmo_duck]

I don't think you’re crazy, in fact I was looking up the melting point of lead free solder before I found this post.  I had the same Idea too!  I was even going to bake my motherboard when I got home from work.  

In fact I'd say you’re a smart individual in the troubleshooting department.  

I would have done something differently though.  450*F only needs to be kept for 45 -60 seconds, and gradual cooling needs to take place.

This will be my baking profile:

4 min. 200 deg. Warm up board and allow temperatures to equalize.  
2 min. 325 deg. Bring temperature up to saturation.  
30 sec + 450 deg. Temperature raised until solder melts and beads at individual pins, and then held for 30 additional seconds.  
    Tap the cookie sheet before cool down...   (IMG:style_emoticons/default/muhaha.gif)



I read recently that The EU dropped the hammer on electronics that have lead-solder in them, and didn't give manufacture enough time to adjust.  

I bet some hasty decisions were made, and then they switched to the lead-free solder, the and some "know it all engineer” forgot to set the proper heat on the reflow ovens, baking at lead-based solder temps.  

Remember this too, the only reason Xbox one was #2 was because the Ps2 came out a year before the original console.  So there was a rush to get it out there.

This post has been edited by Gizmo_duck: Dec 1 2007, 07:05 AM

[flergle]

Well thanks to this crazy idea my xbox works again.  I thank you for being probably one of the smartest men alive.  And I have a crazy story to tell my friends on how I got my xbox to work.

This post has been edited by flergle: Dec 1 2007, 07:20 AM

[Gizmo_duck]

QUOTE(Gizmo_duck @ Dec 1 2007, 01:01 AM)

This will be my baking profile:

4 min. 200 deg. Warm up board and allow temperatures to equalize.  
2 min. 325 deg. Bring temperature up to saturation.  
30 sec + 450 deg. Temperature raised until solder melts and beads at individual pins, and then held for 30 additional seconds.  
    Tap the cookie sheet before cool down...  

My xbox has worked for more then 10 minuets.  With my heat profile as above.  I didn't burn my chips, but I do see some browning around most of the solder points. All that tells me is that the solder was not fully melted and this has solidified the connections.

I'll keep you posted and let you all know if my 360 fails ASAP.  it's 2:25am EST 12-01-2007

[mk500]

I decided to give this a go with my "tried everything" RROD x360. Build date is 3/05, I believe. I had already tried RBJtech's MK3 with and without shim with only brief success before back to RROD, so I figure this is my only hope. I bolted the heatsyncs to the motherboard (no shim, using arctic silver), and used the following baking profile:

Preheat to 400

Insert XBox on cookie sheet

Wait 5 minutes

Turn oven to 450

Wait 10 minutes

At this point the caps had been smoldering with brown goo for 3 minutes or so.

Remove from oven and let cool on top. At one point during baking I briefly turned up to 460, but the caps seemed to REALLY smoke then, so I turned it immediately back down. I think my oven must be pretty accurate.

Any suggestions on how long it will take to cool? I'm getting antsy...

Can't wait to try it :-)

[mk500]

OK, I let mine cool for 20 minutes. I just finished a race in PGR4. Awesome! It's been running perfectly for about 20 minutes now.

At the very least we are confirming the fact the the RROD is definitely bad solder joints somewhere.

It may not be a permanent fix, but it's the best I've had this machine working since RROD. I have pictures if anyone wants to see what my capacitors looked like afterwards :-)

The only problem I have is that the power connector is EXTREMELY tight now. But it still works. All buttons and ports are functioning.

QUOTE(mk500 @ Dec 3 2007, 11:46 PM)

I decided to give this a go with my "tried everything" RROD x360. Build date is 3/05, I believe. I had already tried RBJtech's MK3 with and without shim with only brief success before back to RROD, so I figure this is my only hope. I bolted the heatsyncs to the motherboard (no shim, using arctic silver), and used the following baking profile:

Preheat to 400

Insert XBox on cookie sheet

Wait 5 minutes

Turn oven to 450

Wait 10 minutes

At this point the caps had been smoldering with brown goo for 3 minutes or so.

Remove from oven and let cool on top. At one point during baking I briefly turned up to 460, but the caps seemed to REALLY smoke then, so I turned it immediately back down. I think my oven must be pretty accurate.

Any suggestions on how long it will take to cool? I'm getting antsy...

Can't wait to try it :-)

[mk500]

I should be able to safely remove the heat syncs now, right? Unfortunately the way I had them set up for baking/testing is different than how I want them back in the fully assembled case (stupid, I know). My thought is that I have now fixed the bad solder points, so should be able to safely remove and re-attach the heat syncs without causing problems.

It has run perfectly for about an hour now, so I'm seriously considering reassembling everything.

What does everyone think?

QUOTE(mk500 @ Dec 4 2007, 12:18 AM)

OK, I let mine cool for 20 minutes. I just finished a race in PGR4. Awesome! It's been running perfectly for about 20 minutes now.

At the very least we are confirming the fact the the RROD is definitely bad solder joints somewhere.

It may not be a permanent fix, but it's the best I've had this machine working since RROD. I have pictures if anyone wants to see what my capacitors looked like afterwards :-)

The only problem I have is that the power connector is EXTREMELY tight now. But it still works. All buttons and ports are functioning.

[kuken101]

Mine has been running for 3 weeks or so now, been playing mass effect,cod 4 for atleast 4hour a night.

I havent reassambled anything, since i dont want it to stop working again.

My setup is horrible to be honest, ive got 2 fans laying on top of the heat sinks and the dvd outside the case haha. Atleast it works. And it has for quite some time.