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[wellmodded]

Ok since i don't want to drill holes in my heatsink and i think using the plastic washer i made might not be that good to allow thermal expansion this is what i came up with i hope you can comment on it and tell me how good it is or what might go wrong
instead on drilling holes i found bolts that can screw directly into the heatsink instead what i did was put a spring washer between the bolt head and the outside of the case ( normally where the bolt would screw directly onto the metal case
the spring washer outside the case will contract and expand if the heatsink starts to move becasue of thermal expansion and i think this should take care of the thermal expansion part I HOPE

COuld some give me what kinda of srping washer i should use for doing this

SoRRY for the poor drawing i only did one side of the gpu heatink
""OHH the washer i use that might not be the number of washer i have to use to get the write spacing i just drew the washer like tht""

YOU MIGHT HAVE TO COP THE IMAGE AND ENGLARGE IT TO SEE THE WRITE PROPERLY ON IT
The blue square is spring washer
the gray square is a normal washer

[RBJTech]

That's fine but there is no room for the bolt head under the case (flathead bolt), yet alone with a spring / spring washer in there too.  Perhaps if you cut some holes in the plastic case it may work ...

You also need to fathom a way to get the washers inbetween the board and case ... (think about it ... )

It's the basis for an alternative, something that Grim_d and myself have discussed actually but I haven't had the time to research it ...

[wellmodded]

QUOTE(RBJTech @ May 25 2007, 09:33 AM)

That's fine but there is no room for the bolt head under the case (flathead bolt), yet alone with a spring / spring washer in there too.  Perhaps if you cut some holes in the plastic case it may work ...

You also need to fathom a way to get the washers inbetween the board and case ... (think about it ... )

It's the basis for an alternative, something that Grim_d and myself have discussed actually but I haven't had the time to research it ...

wht do u mean i would need to fathom away t get the washer inbetween the board and the case???

u mean between the motherboard and metal case gettign washer bettwen the motherboard and the case is easy
al u gtta do is put the bolt trhough put on the washer and then the board ??
 i don't mind cutting holes in my plastic casing to make the bolts fit through i havn't put the theory into practise becasue i havn't had the time to do any of this

[DrJeckyll]

You'd have to adjust the height of the heatsink with more washers if it isn't correct. That would require taking all the washers off again.
It's not so different from the original design either. Putting the washers over the stock heatsink's legs would have the same effect and it is easier to adjust once in place. Wouldn't require drilling either.

[RBJTech]

QUOTE(wellmodded @ May 25 2007, 04:27 PM)

wht do u mean i would need to fathom away t get the washer inbetween the board and the case???

u mean between the motherboard and metal case gettign washer bettwen the motherboard and the case is easy
al u gtta do is put the bolt trhough put on the washer and then the board ??
 i don't mind cutting holes in my plastic casing to make the bolts fit through i havn't put the theory into practise becasue i havn't had the time to do any of this

ok - you're putting the bolts in from underneath, yes ...

How are you going to get washers onto the bolts - the mainboard is in the way from the top and the case is in the way from the bottom - remember you need to do all 8 before you put in the mainboard ..  The only way to do this is to STICK the washers around the holes before you put the mainboard back...

Then you can insert the bolt, through the case, through the (stuck) washers (with no assistance from you), through the mainboard, then add washers to suit, and finally screw it into the heatsink. (whew...)

A correct height M5 standoff would be ideal instead of sticking the washers together, but I can't seem to source one at the moment....

[grim_d]

QUOTE(RBJTech @ May 26 2007, 09:11 AM)

A correct height M5 standoff would be ideal instead of sticking the washers together, but I can't seem to source one at the moment....

someone posted the perfect standoff im sure, in your thread, i'll go have a look.

EDIT: cant seem to find the post but i remember someone mentioning metal tubing from b&q that had the right inner diameter, it would need cut to size though, nothing a pipe cutter couldn't handle.

[wellmodded]

QUOTE(RBJTech @ May 26 2007, 04:41 AM)

ok - you're putting the bolts in from underneath, yes ...

How are you going to get washers onto the bolts - the mainboard is in the way from the top and the case is in the way from the bottom - remember you need to do all 8 before you put in the mainboard ..  The only way to do this is to STICK the washers around the holes before you put the mainboard back...

Then you can insert the bolt, through the case, through the (stuck) washers (with no assistance from you), through the mainboard, then add washers to suit, and finally screw it into the heatsink. (whew...)

A correct height M5 standoff would be ideal instead of sticking the washers together, but I can't seem to source one at the moment....

all u have to do is take the motherboard out the case push the bolt through the hole and thn put the washer on the boltthat how i always do it i do this exact method for my Xclamps replcaement but i didn;t use spring washer i use a peice of plastic to allow thermal play ??

Can u picture what ia m telling you?

u don't have to stick the wash on the metal case or on the holes

OK i think i am going to make a video on what i did o get those washer and bolt in cause in my head its so easy to do it and u making i sound so hard ??

this is exactl wht i do i rip apart my xbox lol
thn i take the bolt and push it through the holes that i drilled out thn i put on the washer ( the comind high of serveral washers give me the exact hight the board sit on it orginally) I then put the board back into the case with the the bolt and the washer all in the place i then put washer on the bolt again so u get the right high so u don't cursh th die whn u tighten up the heatsink

U get wht i am saying now


OHH i forgot the metion u gott put tht spring washer on at the bottom 2

QUOTE(DrJeckyll @ May 25 2007, 12:25 PM)

You'd have to adjust the height of the heatsink with more washers if it isn't correct. That would require taking all the washers off again.
It's not so different from the original design either. Putting the washers over the stock heatsink's legs would have the same effect and it is easier to adjust once in place. Wouldn't require drilling either.

yes i would have to ajust the hight wiht the heatsink but tht i very simple wht do u mea putting washers OVER the stock heatsink leg u mean putting washer under the stock heatsink leg and no it will not have the same effect as this the stock heatsink leg u would haev to apply the Xclamps which is a NO NO and i am sure u now wht the stock Xclamps is a no no

[wellmodded]

QUOTE(grim_d @ May 26 2007, 05:11 AM)

someone posted the perfect standoff im sure, in your thread, i'll go have a look.

EDIT: cant seem to find the post but i remember someone mentioning metal tubing from b&q that had the right inner diameter, it would need cut to size though, nothing a pipe cutter couldn't handle.

the stand off think would be very easy to make all u ahev to do is measure the dist between the board and the metal case thn go to any hardware shop and ask thm for a peice of copper tubing like wht u use on firdges and cut it t size
to get the dist betwen yr board easy way is to push the orginal bolts that game witht eh sink through one of the mobo holes and measure the distance that left on it i would say whn cutting he tubing cut it .5mm addtion to take into consideration error u would make at looking at the rules

[DrJeckyll]

QUOTE(wellmodded @ May 27 2007, 02:50 AM)

yes i would have to ajust the hight wiht the heatsink but tht i very simple
wht do u mea putting washers OVER the stock heatsink leg
u mean putting washer under the stock heatsink leg and no it will not have the same effect as this the stock heatsink leg u would haev to apply the Xclamps which is a NO NO and i am sure u now wht the stock Xclamps is a no no

I meant this:



Off course the X-clamp isn't there. It's your basic setup but instead of the clamp. Some cylindrical object is placed over the heatsinks leg. Tightening the screws causes the heatsink to tighten itself on the die by compressing the spring washer. There is no height adjustment the sinks already in contact with the die so the die won't fry.



It's basically the same only yours has the washer pushing against the case. Mine pushes against the sink.

[wellmodded]

QUOTE(DrJeckyll @ May 27 2007, 07:20 AM)

I meant this:



Off course the X-clamp isn't there. It's your basic setup but instead of the clamp. Some cylindrical object is placed over the heatsinks leg. Tightening the screws causes the heatsink to tighten itself on the die by compressing the spring washer. There is no height adjustment the sinks already in contact with the die so the die won't fry.



It's basically the same only yours has the washer pushing against the case. Mine pushes against the sink.

yes i see wht you are saying now yes it seem basically like the same think have u ever tired it i would like 2 now how it works out cause migth be a faster solution to fix people console in the future
keep me post on that method seems to be a good solution but i have alread drilled holes i my casing so i stick with that method

[DrJeckyll]

It's still working fine. The board must feel quite free without that X-clamp wedgy.

With all the mods it only cost me €4,50 for the AS5 and 1€ for a pack of M6 nuts at the hardware store. Unfortunately there are only 15 nuts in one pack.  

[wellmodded]

QUOTE(DrJeckyll @ May 29 2007, 12:15 PM)

It's still working fine. The board must feel quite free without that X-clamp wedgy.

With all the mods it only cost me €4,50 for the AS5 and 1€ for a pack of M6 nuts at the hardware store. Unfortunately there are only 15 nuts in one pack.  

Umm i might try it on my next xbox with 3rlod but i would like to know if it ever fails also how long have u been doing this method and second think did the xbox have the 3rlod before u did this fix or u did it to prevent the 3rlod??

[DrJeckyll]

It smacked a 0102 in my face several times but after this mod it has worked like a charm.

[wellmodded]

QUOTE(DrJeckyll @ May 30 2007, 05:42 AM)

It smacked a 0102 in my face several times but after this mod it has worked like a charm.

how long has it been working with tht fix so far and how long do u run yr xbox360 for??
also i could use a piece copper tubing would work for the shaf?? also can u tell me the lend cause i don't wanna go measure

Just out of curosity u ever giot a 0022 error xbox working again i hav one those and give me alot trouble 2 fix

[Navillos]

i think i might have been the one to suggest the cylindrical washers (spacers). i wouldnt use copper as its too soft (with the tension and heat it might squish a little throwing the height out of whack), i would use stainless or carbon. i have stainless tubing at my work and 5/16'' might work or a metric size. a few slices at the right height from the bottom of the metal cage to the mobo to sit level. then you would only have to worry about the washer between the heatsinks. the only bad thing about this is the gpu heatsink as its easy to crossthread and strip aluminum. so be very careful