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[waytoodeep03]

This 3rol is very prevalent and way too common. Not too mention other problems people are having with this system not being out 2 years yet.

Why is this? Why is it that my computers with dual or quad core processors arent overheating or have the problems the 360 has? Why did M$ cut these corners? Does the PS3 have these issues of overheating and blown fuses and such?

[DrJeckyll]

I think that they shortened the testing period. Sony is far more experienced with electronics than Microsoft and is very much aware of the repurcussions it would have if the unit is released before extensive testing.
Although Sony had a similair problem with the PSTwo's psu it immediately recalled the faulty units and offered a  free replacement for the defective ones.
I also read that there are a lot of people already on their third 360 after sending it back to Microsoft. It seems to me that they do not correct the problem but simply send a new 360 with the same design flaws.
Microsoft also probably wanted to be the first on the market with a nextgen console. Perhaps they believed that they could just simply fix the problems via a software patch. Microsoft is very aware of this overheating problem which is proven by the fact that they released a dashboard update which enables the fans to run full-speed. I also believe that the relative short period of warranty is linked to the quality of the product unfortunately.

The PS3 will be able to overheat as would any other device that is capable of producing heat. If you put your mind to it you can overheat anything. But after inspecting my trusty old PS2's I believe Sony will deliver a fine console. The PS2 has one large heatsink spanning all the essential components CPU,GPU,APU, Memory, Controllers, etc and a small fan with a straight airflow from the front, over the heatsink and through the back of the console. The 360 is trying to suck the air out of the back of the console and through two massive heatsinks with almost no room to breathe. Why for Pete's sake would you suck air from an almost standard pc heatsink when blowing air through it gives much better results?

All in all I think Microsoft is letting down their fans(...lol) by their stubborness and their poor customer service. I believe that this may well be the most ill-manufactured console to date.

[tyga]

I have to agree with DrJeckyll on this. The 360 was rushed to market just so M$ could be first out of the block but so they didn't take the time to properly check and test all the possible situations that might arise from problems such as over heating and the obvious bad design of the xclamps.

I thin if they took just an extra 6 months to test the system and run some REAL burn in tests they would've made a system that would have a much better track record than the 360 does.

I bought my xbox 360 on the ps3 launch day and my wii on launch day. My Wii has gotten much more play time than the 360 and much more beatings (it fell to the floor from 5 feet up 3 times). Other than a scratch or two from falling my wii hasn't skipped a beat. My 360 was treated better than a family member I would die for. It got lots of space for cooling and far less play time but it still died (3rlod) after the first 6 months. obviously it'd because it is a poorly designed system.

[DrJeckyll]

Not to mention putting two cores under a simple small heatsink with a drive on top of it and two low running fans sucking pre-heated air through it. They should have let Zalman handle the cooling as Asus did with some of their graphics cards.

There is a tv-show over here in Holland that handles cases where consumers feel screwed over by companies. They also did a show about Microsoft's Xbox-360 scratching up disc. The show invites officials from the accused companies to explain themselves. Most companies do and some even offer a solution. Microsoft however refused to comment.

I looked around some .nl internetshops today and found that most of the 360's are "temporarily sold out". Maybe there's hope for the 360 in the future....or stores are dropping the 360..I hope not.

[pimpmaul69]

QUOTE(DrJeckyll @ May 19 2007, 01:17 AM)

I think that they shortened the testing period. Sony is far more experienced with electronics than Microsoft and is very much aware of the repurcussions it would have if the unit is released before extensive testing.
Although Sony had a similair problem with the PSTwo's psu it immediately recalled the faulty units and offered a  free replacement for the defective ones.
I also read that there are a lot of people already on their third 360 after sending it back to Microsoft. It seems to me that they do not correct the problem but simply send a new 360 with the same design flaws.
Microsoft also probably wanted to be the first on the market with a nextgen console. Perhaps they believed that they could just simply fix the problems via a software patch. Microsoft is very aware of this overheating problem which is proven by the fact that they released a dashboard update which enables the fans to run full-speed. I also believe that the relative short period of warranty is linked to the quality of the product unfortunately.

The PS3 will be able to overheat as would any other device that is capable of producing heat. If you put your mind to it you can overheat anything. But after inspecting my trusty old PS2's I believe Sony will deliver a fine console. The PS2 has one large heatsink spanning all the essential components CPU,GPU,APU, Memory, Controllers, etc and a small fan with a straight airflow from the front, over the heatsink and through the back of the console. The 360 is trying to suck the air out of the back of the console and through two massive heatsinks with almost no room to breathe. Why for Pete's sake would you suck air from an almost standard pc heatsink when blowing air through it gives much better results?

All in all I think Microsoft is letting down their fans(...lol) by their stubborness and their poor customer service. I believe that this may well be the most ill-manufactured console to date.

im gonna have to disagree on several things... sony had to get sued before they recalled the psu for the slim.. the lasers on average last about 3 months.. i replace them all the time on the slims.. the slim mobo will fry if you have static shock and touch your power button..the lasers catch fire.. the psu input jack has the most piss poor soldering job.. the slim ps2 is the worst system to date.. and sony doesnt recall shit unless sued.. it was all our faults we had to play our psones upside down.. not that they relocated the laser 7 times trying to get it right.. also the 50001 model ps2's not 50001n were great at having the drives chip fry or the newly remodeled 400c lasers crap out and stop reading dvd's or dvd rom games... and i am not saying this cause i hate sony or something cause most electronics i own are made by sony... i just know too much about how crappy their systems are

This post has been edited by pimpmaul69: May 21 2007, 07:08 PM

[DrJeckyll]

I did a PSTwo a while back. Still works to this day. I modded it directly with Laserfix III or something.
I guess you can blame Sony for it, but you have to give them credit for trying. They had like 14 different versions of the console. Some with massive overhauls if you compare a V3 with a V7. That's something I would definitely would like to see with the 360. I now only see two versions. The normal one and the black one with HDDVD. At least Sony is adjusting the designs....though a bit poorly at sometimes.

I guess we should sue MS about the overheating 360's if we want a massive recall. Even if they recall it it would probably only apply to those who still have warranty.

[ahtze]

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Sony had like 14 different versions of the console

360 only have 1 version for their core and premium.  

Is microsoft lazy or something? They never learn from mistake or their designer is too weak. Doesn't microsoft want to win the battle?

This post has been edited by ahtze: May 21 2007, 08:02 PM

[tyga]

QUOTE(ahtze @ May 21 2007, 08:01 PM)

360 only have 1 version for their core and premium.  

Is microsoft lazy or something? They never learn from mistake or their designer is too weak. Doesn't microsoft want to win the battle?

Sony's revisions aren't primarily for them to improve on the hardware it's mostly for them to try and stop the use of grey market devices like modchips and all that stuff like that.

[DrJeckyll]

Probably even more for easier assembly. If it's against modchips they should have sticked with the V3. I killed my console doing that one. Should have kept it in one piece because by now I could've fixed it easily.

Quite the move to put in a blu-ray drive. Even if people resort to piracy they will have to buy a Sony-patented drive and media to do it. It's brilliant!

I hate to see what the PSThree will be like.