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[booker]

update.
After 24hs of testing/plaing my system start freezing again. Not 3rl, just freezing after 5 or 10 min into the game.

I´m going to double check the process...

sad day

[jAYrAM]

Had error 0102, When it would play it froze 10 seconds in. Went to Lowes got the screws. (2 different MI Lowes, running low on these screws) Bought thermal paste from Circuit City (AS5) Xbox works perfectly for over 3 days now! We'll see in the longrun. Thanks Lawdawg nice tutorial.

[Heet]

Frosty are you maybe seeing a ground loop?  Hum bar?  Thats what it sounds like to me.  It is weird that it will only show up in a certain resolution.


Thats the only thing I can come up with.  I had the same thing with one of my tv's.  



To see if thats what it is, just disconnect the cable from your tv.  As in cable company cable (coax), then see if it goes away.


Im sure you know all of this but in case you didnt  

[RiPpN-N-TrIppN]

QUOTE(dvsone @ May 1 2007, 12:38 PM)

See image below. Zenith of the left and Dans Premium on the right. There is quite a big difference between the 2 screws. Because Dans is counter sunken the actual length of the screw area is only about 8mm, where as the Zenith is 12mm.



Using Dans:

On the CPU: 3 washers on top and 3 on the bottom
On the GPU: 2 washers on top and 3 on the bottom

You would probably need something crazy like 6 or 7 washers on the bottom to make the Zenith work. And its probable the screws are too long and will push the motherboard to far off the bottom of the case.

Heres a picture of Dans packaging if you want to have another look for them at Bunnings.



Or you could cut the screws to size like Carkus did. Check out his tutorial.
Great work Carkus.

well i took the Zenith screws home and i first screwed Them into the heatsinks to make sure they will go in correctly
And since the heatsink is made from soft metal I also screwed them in more to make up the extra difference the longer bolts make
I then ended up putting 5 washers on the bottom and 3 on the top put it back together and she booted up fine
But then froze a few min after so I adjusted the screws till I got it right had a few games then it froze again ingame
I didn’t have much time last night to play around with it but ill do some more 2night
I plan on removing all the extra washers I put on and then just going with  2 washers on top and 3 on the bottom
And the extra length from the bolts will be just screwed into the heat sink so having the longer bolts shouldn’t make a difference
Ill post some pics once I get it all working
Rip

[Bravoexo]

QUOTE(jameswalter @ May 1 2007, 06:22 PM)

I think your screws are too long.  You can see that the original posts sit flush with the shielding after being screwed in.  You will be flexing the motherboard out because of this.  I suggest you find the right size screws, or cut those down a little.

No, my screw comes through the metal case, not just sits on it.  Like this.

[Carkus]

QUOTE(Bravoexo @ May 2 2007, 02:15 AM)

Question, so the motherboard ain't connected to the metal case anymore on those 8 points?  Isn't that dangerous?  (I remember that board flexes quite a bit when I held it in my hand with the heatsinks on.)

Thats right. They arent secured to the RF shield, however, the height of the bolt head + washer allows the board to sit flat, with the bolt head resting on the RF shield. This should prevent any flexing.

I should note, if you dont bolt it through the RF shield, don't use your xbox in the vertical position...

If I get a 3rlod in the future, i'll probably bolt it through the RF shield.

[booker]

QUOTE(booker @ May 1 2007, 09:14 PM)

update.
After 24hs of testing/plaing my system start freezing again. Not 3rl, just freezing after 5 or 10 min into the game.

I´m going to double check the process...

sad day

well after re doing the whole procces again, this time i made sure the board was at the same height and perfeclty flat. I also added thermal paste to the 2 Memorys near the GPU, i didn´t do that before.

So far i played 2:40hs and 0 problems.

Let see how long it will last.

[SnufftheCrimeDog]

QUOTE(booker @ May 1 2007, 08:42 PM)

well after re doing the whole procces again, this time i made sure the board was at the same height and perfeclty flat. I also added thermal paste to the 2 Memorys near the GPU, i didn´t do that before.

So far i played 2:40hs and 0 problems.

Let see how long it will last.

Whoa! Ok I would take the thermal paste off the 2 RAM chips under the heatsink. A wise person(forget there user ID) made a good point the GPU heatsink makes no connection with those two RAM chips. Therefore heat is gathering there, which could possibly cause error 0020 in the future. As far as the fix and making the board level. In my opinion just by redoing the setup,you re-tightened the bolts( I assume) and once again the GPU heatsink was sitting firmly on the GPU, hence no freezing. After a while those bolt may become loose again, and you may get a reoccurring error/freezing.

[Bravoexo]

QUOTE(Carkus @ May 2 2007, 01:29 AM)

I should note, if you dont bolt it through the RF shield, don't use your xbox in the vertical position...

If I get a 3rlod in the future, i'll probably bolt it through the RF shield.

Thanks.  Which begs the question, has anyone tried just removing only the x-clamps, and re screw all the oem stuff?  (hmm, I guess that'll peril the board coz it'll be free to flex downwards, I  guess.

[SnufftheCrimeDog]

QUOTE(Bravoexo @ May 1 2007, 08:53 PM)

Thanks.  Which begs the question, has anyone tried just removing only the x-clamps, and re screw all the oem stuff?  (hmm, I guess that'll peril the board coz it'll be free to flex downwards, I  guess.

I did, well sort of. I had the wrong sized washers so I got fed up and just threw the heatsinks back on with no washers....BAD IDEA...This will cause downward pressure on the board causing essentially the same hardware failure. Also, it hard to tell if one side of the heatsink is looser then the other side, especially with the CPU heatsink. So not only do washer underneath the heatsinks help prevent flexing, but it also helps you gauge how tight the heatsink are

[jameswalter]

QUOTE(Carkus @ May 1 2007, 05:29 PM)

Thats right. They arent secured to the RF shield, however, the height of the bolt head + washer allows the board to sit flat, with the bolt head resting on the RF shield. This should prevent any flexing.

I should note, if you dont bolt it through the RF shield, don't use your xbox in the vertical position...

If I get a 3rlod in the future, i'll probably bolt it through the RF shield.

I have been using mine for 3 weeks in the vertical position and didn't bolt through the RF shield.  It isn't really any more "flexing" than a regular PC motherboard in the same position.  When you bolt the case to the motherboard, there are still many points of contact.  The problem with the X-Clamp flexing the motherboard....is that the main point of pressure was directly under the GPU/CPU.

[Carkus]

QUOTE(jameswalter @ May 2 2007, 12:03 PM)

I have been using mine for 3 weeks in the vertical position and didn't bolt through the RF shield.  It isn't really any more "flexing" than a regular PC motherboard in the same position.  When you bolt the case to the motherboard, there are still many points of contact.  The problem with the X-Clamp flexing the motherboard....is that the main point of pressure was directly under the GPU/CPU.

PC motherboards generally are bolted down in multiple areas around the board, not just at the edges. Some people say the xbox board is made cheaply, so it may flex abit more than a PC motherboard, however im sure it would be minimal.

I havent actually run mine vertically since fixing my 3rlod issue, so I cant say if it causes issues or not, but I would have assumed that bolting to the case would be better than just resting on a 'spacer' which is essentially whats happening. There would be abit more force on the lower side of the cpu while vertical. The mounting supports from the xbox casing might be good enough to support the board/etc and prevent this from happening though.

I agree that the main issue is with the x-clamp. Time will tell how successful the various methods are. So far so good.

[Bravoexo]

PC motherboards, usually has that 1 screw slot in the middle of the board. (full ATX), while our xbox360 board are screwed in only at the edges, right?

[leorimolo]

hey thanxs for the tut....

I have a prob I messed up one of my screws on the GPU heasink so its un removable  Does anyone think this will greatly affect thte functioning of this method.

LEo

[Bravoexo]

QUOTE(leorimolo @ May 2 2007, 04:03 AM)

hey thanxs for the tut....

I have a prob I messed up one of my screws on the GPU heasink so its un removable  Does anyone think this will greatly affect thte functioning of this method.

LEo

unmovable? how about the other screws?