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[booker]

QUOTE(chucksd @ Apr 6 2007, 09:26 PM)

Hi all,
just a side note - (I respectfully do not want to take anything away from the eraser method) but I went with the xclamp removal and so far I have let Madden 2007 play its demo for about 15 hours straight turned it off for 12 hours and am starting on the next long running demo session to complete my initial "heat / cold mobo warp test"  to date I have had no problems at all.  (some history) - The unit did have the 0102 originally and I tried the towel/heatgun method and both worked for a short time 1 - 2 hours of play each.  I read about the xclamp tut and decided to try it.  The first thing I noticed when I powered it up was that the 0102 was cleared up (this is without the fan etc - part of the tut to check to see if the CPU/GPU begins to get warm) so that tells me that the problem is indeed in the GPU/CPU area (which fits with the eraser method I believe as pressure is realigning the board even though its focus is on the mems).  I then cranked it down tight and reassembled everything and then begin testing.  after this final long hour test I will start to use this one during routine game play (every other night 4-6 hours at a time when possible).  to test the long term viability.
Again,
Not trying to disrespect anyone just trying to pass the word on something that is working so far...
Chucksd

Could you post a link or explain this prodecure?. i´m not sure what is it.. replace the X lamp. I followed the tutorioal on this site but i´m not there. I don´t speal english at my native language so that could be the reason... Could you explain me what is it, and what it does?

thanks

[chucksd]

QUOTE(chucksd @ Apr 6 2007, 03:26 PM)

Hi all,
just a side note - (I respectfully do not want to take anything away from the eraser method) but I went with the xclamp removal and so far I have let Madden 2007 play its demo for about 15 hours straight turned it off for 12 hours and am starting on the next long running demo session to complete my initial "heat / cold mobo warp test"  to date I have had no problems at all.  (some history) - The unit did have the 0102 originally and I tried the towel/heatgun method and both worked for a short time 1 - 2 hours of play each.  I read about the xclamp tut and decided to try it.  The first thing I noticed when I powered it up was that the 0102 was cleared up (this is without the fan etc - part of the tut to check to see if the CPU/GPU begins to get warm) so that tells me that the problem is indeed in the GPU/CPU area (which fits with the eraser method I believe as pressure is realigning the board even though its focus is on the mems).  I then cranked it down tight and reassembled everything and then begin testing.  after this final long hour test I will start to use this one during routine game play (every other night 4-6 hours at a time when possible).  to test the long term viability.
Again,
Not trying to disrespect anyone just trying to pass the word on something that is working so far...
Chucksd

Update:
I completed my testing phase and have had zero problems.  I hate to ever say its completly fixed but this is the best I have seen so far.  
Good luck!

QUOTE(booker @ Apr 7 2007, 04:14 AM)

Could you post a link or explain this prodecure?. i´m not sure what is it.. replace the X lamp. I followed the tutorioal on this site but i´m not there. I don´t speal english at my native language so that could be the reason... Could you explain me what is it, and what it does?

thanks

Not sure if you did or did not follow the X clamp removal tut but it is pinned in the following link http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=595746

in short the procedure is designed to create stability with the board by removing the x clamps which generate pressure on the board (coupled with flexing from heat/cold) when the GPU / CPU H/S is bolted to the frame the board no longer flexs to the point of breaking the solder connections.

Good luck

[booker]

QUOTE(chucksd @ Apr 9 2007, 03:34 PM)

Update:
I completed my testing phase and have had zero problems.  I hate to ever say its completly fixed but this is the best I have seen so far.  
Good luck!
Not sure if you did or did not follow the X clamp removal tut but it is pinned in the following link http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=595746

in short the procedure is designed to create stability with the board by removing the x clamps which generate pressure on the board (coupled with flexing from heat/cold) when the GPU / CPU H/S is bolted to the frame the board no longer flexs to the point of breaking the solder connections.

Good luck

What mod did you do? both?

I´m thinking of doing the ereaser first, and then if this odn´t work do the X clamp. I feel the ereaser mod is a lot easier than the X clamo.

[chucksd]

QUOTE(booker @ Apr 9 2007, 01:23 PM)

What mod did you do? both?

I´m thinking of doing the ereaser first, and then if this odn´t work do the X clamp. I feel the ereaser mod is a lot easier than the X clamo.

I did not do the eraser mod as I believe it is not a long term solution and due to heat build up it will likely cause additional problems and shorten the life of the componants...

[Taher]

We have a console with error 0102, 0103 and 0110. Removing X-Clamps and Eraser trick worked for couple of days and then again error 0102 comes up.
After some work on console (heating) it now give us error 0021 and 0022 errors ! when we turn it on, after about 15 seconds 3 red lights appear and error code is mostly 0021. when we put some pressure on Southbridge and turn the console on, error code changes to 0022.  
Any idea ?
Thanks in advance

[pricemeista33]

Hello all,
Hey guys I've pulled the removal of the X-clamps off without a doubt.  Follow LAWDAWG'S tut and you will be very impressed of the info he has to offer there.  Many of the mems @ the scene have contributed to this brilliant mod and indeed it does work!  I still have my cushions in place as well and no frickin x-clamps to warp my board anymore.  Great job gentlemen!

[splify]

I was wondering if instead of a dual sided tape an Arctic silver epoxy can be used?

such as: http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_silver_thermal_adhesive.htm

and was wondering about the temperature in which the erasure compound melts in ...

[w00t12]

First, sorry for my bad english and sorry again if this gets a bit off-topic...

How can I prevent my 360 from 3RL before 3RL?

With additional fans (internal/external) or something like that?
I'm not sure if I should do one of these mods (e.g. x-clamps removal) while my 360 still works...

Do you think I can prevent it from any 3RL-related damage (especially from that memory/solder-flaw) with additional fans?

[Taher]

I think for preventing 3RL, removing X-Clamps are required.by using additional fan you can keep the console cooler than before, but X-Clamps still put pressure on the mainboard and after few months that can cause the console to crash.
Keeping console in cooler conditions, let you use it more,  but still you should expect 3RL after maybe 1 year !
This was what happened to me  

[sirsmooth]

Taher is correct.

Its a design fault so every xbox 360 will die at some point, might take years, but it will die(3rol)

You have to stop the board from flexing and removing the X clamps does just that.

[w00t12]

ok thanks for your replies..
But why didn't Microsoft fix this problem yet? It would be even cheaper for them to leave the x-clamps out and they would have less trouble with technical support.. Well, i really doubt that this mod is the final solution.. but lets hope it works for a long time.. (maybe forever )

I heard a rumor that MS could eliminate some flaws since 01/01/07... would be good to know if there are still boxes with 3RL after that date..

[blankaz]

WHOOOOOO I CANT BELIEVE MY 360 IS ALIVE!!!  
i will keep update you guys to see whats up.. till now i played 20 minutes since i did the rubber method, befroe that i couldnt even turn on my 360

[DarrenR]

QUOTE(w00t12 @ Apr 15 2007, 10:28 AM)

ok thanks for your replies..
But why didn't Microsoft fix this problem yet? It would be even cheaper for them to leave the x-clamps out and they would have less trouble with technical support.. Well, i really doubt that this mod is the final solution.. but lets hope it works for a long time.. (maybe forever )

I heard a rumor that MS could eliminate some flaws since 01/01/07... would be good to know if there are still boxes with 3RL after that date..

If they did that then people would realise that there is a design flaw and Microsoft would need to replace a lot of 360's.

[w00t12]

QUOTE(DarrenR @ Apr 15 2007, 05:39 PM)

If they did that then people would realise that there is a design flaw and Microsoft would need to replace a lot of 360's.

yeah, i think youre right... maybe they've done some improvements to elite, lets see..

found something on german ebay today: SiS RAM Coolers
It comes with special thin-thermoglue-pads, size: 35mm x 35mm.. I never opened a 360 so i need to know if they fit to 360s ram-modules.. thanks

[g@mecool]

Hey man, congrats for the "tuto", its helps a lot of people.

Its a cheaping way to fix a big problem