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[DURDADUR]

Pretty sure you can check any dictionary in the universe and you will never find one that ties the words "joystick controller" to the definition of the word "console."  In fact, commonly, you will see the tie of "keyboard or keypad," albeit not the word "mouse," to the definition of the word "console."  So all of you console fanboys...you are all TOWELS!

Get over it.  Not all console games are made for the pc, and not all pc games are made for consoles.  That is why most people have both.  And since i was playing computer games far before consoles, i have adapted to a keyboard mouse setup.  So if i own a console and want to use a keyboard and mouse, i will.  I think the idea of it is great, and i can't wait to get a XFPS and see how well it really does work.  I also think it takes an engineering standpoint, to fully enjoy something of this nature.  You little kids don't appretiate anything these days.  I think it is pretty awesome that someone was able to create the XFPS 360.  Hopefully someone will continue to expand on this device and make one that works even better.  How great would it be if microsoft came out with a device like the XFPS 360, with all their buget and engineering behind it, it would be great just to see you controller freaks sqirm.

BTW, i am not biased toward pc's or consoles, i enjoy both.  I just really hate the people who are biased toward either.

[dcnigma]

Question> Will this new fine product work with a kvm switch?

I never try it with the Smart joy frag because i dont have vga on my xbox one.


if so I will buy that product.

Greetz

[HSDEMONZ]

QUOTE(DoTsTeR @ Dec 22 2006, 12:34 PM)

you realize there are sensitivty settings for you in your xbox 360 profile screens.. most peoples are probably on medium as they dont even know they are there.

Those settings may be a factor as well.

even with those sensitivity settings tweaked.. you will NOT get the same gaming experience you have on a PC as you will with this device on a 360.

Just like the original xfps.. timing will be off. No competitive player will be able to continue to play with this device beyond a week or so. It'll collect dust.

No competitive player was able to keep using any of the original xfps devices for much of the same reasons. It's not up to par with what you need and expect.

It might make a good geek present for your friends.. but it's not the competitive or gmaing edge you'd expect and hope for.


xfps-360-exposed-as-expensive-garbage

[Trex666]

Wow, that blog entry pwned.
A wired controller needed? Pfff.

[scienide]

QUOTE(jacksprat1990 @ Dec 22 2006, 04:09 PM)

Yeah it's much easier to use a keyboard and mouse but the 360 should be played with a joypad because it's a console. People who use one of these online are gonna have a big advantage over people who use joypads. Yeah I agree it's cool but cruel!

That is not true with a kb mouse convertor.

Although the game is easier to control, a convertor will not give u turning speeds like that.

On a pc yes! There the better hardware u got, the faster u can respond, but this thing emulates a joypad. Most games do have a maximum turning speed.

Using one on halo2 (smartjoyfrag) confirms it ... U can not make it turn any faster ...

[BigFattee]

i don't care if it doesn't turn faster. i'm not expecting the limitations of the game to change when i use this thing. moving as fast as a controller is all i expect(which is still damn fast, just not as fast as a pc). i used the SJF for a long time and i stayed very competitive.
 also, i could care less about what i got to do to make it work. as long as it works. as far as a headset, i don't see why you couldn't use a normal wired headset plugged into the wired controller going to the xfps. i'm just gonna use my wireless headset(mine actually works n/p).

[stugatz]

QUOTE(Diekund @ Dec 23 2006, 12:54 PM)

why is this product more expensive in the UK???
US Price = $80
$80   =   £40.8789
UK Price  =  £50
£50   =   $97.85

so we are being ripped off by nearly another $20 ontop of the US price, this is bull

Does anyone know of an Australian Reseller?  We get forgotten here in the land of Down Under...

As far as the price is concerned, for the cost of a game I will pay that price - NO WORRIES.  I only play FPS's with a keyboard and mouse, so being a big fan of the Call of Duty series; I am very disappointed to hear that COD3 is only coming out for console.  So I have to get myself a XFPS360.

I didn't play any FPS titles for the original XBOX, I tried to play them but it just wasn't the same.  But once I got myself a SmartJoy Frag I played all the FPS titles that came out for the XBOX 1.  Now I want the same for the 360.  Once you get use to the keyboard and mouse, you will never look back.  The accuracy and speed is unbeatable.  Thank God for the XFPS360!!!

[DoTsTeR]

QUOTE(HSDEMONZ @ Dec 22 2006, 10:45 PM)

even with those sensitivity settings tweaked.. you will NOT get the same gaming experience you have on a PC as you will with this device on a 360.

Just like the original xfps.. timing will be off. No competitive player will be able to continue to play with this device beyond a week or so. It'll collect dust.

No competitive player was able to keep using any of the original xfps devices for much of the same reasons. It's not up to par with what you need and expect.

It might make a good geek present for your friends.. but it's not the competitive or gmaing edge you'd expect and hope for.
xfps-360-exposed-as-expensive-garbage

Really Dude, you're being a real ass regarding this product. I would even use the word ANAL to describe your statement so far. Especially since you haven't actually used it yet. Seems to me like you got no business reviewing something you already hate so much. Add that to the fact that you stated you don't like 1st person shooters and keyboard/mouse controls and it's pretty obvious someone else other than you should be reviewing this product on behalf of xbox-scene when the times comes. Correct if I am wrong about you representing xbox scene to some degree but that is how you have made it sound.


I am surely not defending the cost or some of the limitations with the product, but you are acting pretty jerky. I see a lot of cool things with this product. Surely not perfect but it's going to be just what some people have been waiting for. People that want to try mouse/keyboard controlling out on the 360.. and also people with existing ps2 wired arcade controllers that can now work on the 360. That includes X-ARCADES and Street Fighter Championship Joysticks which a ton of people have. I for one have an arcade cabinet using the SF2 sticks that I can't wait to get working with the 360. XBox Live Street Fighter here I come.

It's obvious you got some sort of major issue with the people makign this product.. or something is going on for you to be going to crazy over this.

[kronium]

QUOTE(stugatz @ Dec 24 2006, 05:27 AM)

Wow, I couldn't have said it better myself.  I can spend my money on what ever the hell I like, and I don't need anyone telling me it is too expensive or that it is garbage.  Let it be...

Either both of you work for Team Xtender or you're both morons.  This is a crap product just like the original.  The video proves it.  Talk about damage control!

[vintage_guitar]

Yeah guys, I can't wait to have a huge delay after each time i want to turn, with a max sensitivity of trash. Don't forget my whopping like 8 keys i am limited to on that keyboard. And then I can go buy me a wired controller every single time i want to boot my system. Finally, I get to pay 100$ before the controller cost is added in. YAY CAN'T WAIT!! HSDEMONZ is 100% correct. If you find fault with this statement, give me YOUR ANALYSIS of their manual. That is, if you can stop from laughing as you read through it!

[BigFattee]

alot of know-it-all know-nothing's around here. alot of ppl that will use this are well aware of how it will work.
 
i am willing to deal with the limitations(like i did with the SJF), cuz this is the only way i will play a fps. nobody here can tell me this is crap(especially those that never liked the SJF or those that haven't tried the xfps).

i did very well with the SJF, and i bet i will do well with the xfps, no matter how many ppl don't want me too. if the xfps turns out to be crap, i'll be the 1st one to admit it. but if it works like i hope it will, i'll be the 1st to say i was right, you were wrong, and you can go ************

EDITED by HSD!

We don't need that talk from you.

[HSDEMONZ]

you are welcome to your opinions.. and you are welcome to spend your money as you see fit.

The review will be forth coming.

I am however allowed to have my opinion.. and as time goes on.. my suspicions are all being proven one by one. I have alot of experience reviewing products.. and xtender Products for that matter. Even the earlier version of this product. I'm in a good position.. almost a unique one to give it a shake.

I leave little to the imagination when I get around to reviewing something.. and will try to cover all the bases.. and expose any and all flaws I can find in a product. Otherwise.. why review it?

In the end.. you make your purchase decision on your needs. if you still think it fits your needs.. the product reviewed is for you.

clearly.. everything I have said to date, is based ONLY on what THEY have presented to us.. the specs.. the videos.. and the manual and the pricing. It's all educated though.

It's pretty much up to the SHIPPING product now to change those views. My views are based solely on what they have showed us.. and the experiences and the quality of the original product.

After spending more time watching and reviewing this video..



I'm more concerned than before. Lag is evident. Worse.. we see no real twitch playing here. Playing with a PC and Mouse combo on a PC is half about Twitch playing. Being able to twitch slightly and make the movement you want. Again though.. that is tied to speed/acceleration adjustments.. and in some games.. that will be lacking totally.. or will not be enough to be fulfilling.

For those that commented that I shouldn't review something cause I don't like or dig a certain type of gaming.. that is preposterous. I play those type of games. I simply don't prefer them. there is a reason I help run this site. I dig console gaming.. nay.. prefer it. Period.

Always Will.

Won't apologize for that.

[HSDEMONZ]

QUOTE(DoTsTeR @ Dec 23 2006, 05:19 PM)

It's obvious you got some sort of major issue with the people makign this product.. or something is going on for you to be going to crazy over this.

rest of your garbage removed.

Nope. no issues. I however will.. and often do post in these forums my views on a product or team and defend everything I say with vigor, intensity, and if needed drama.

It's up to a manufacturer to convince me a product is good. I have no issue with Xtender.. and if anything.. I'm probably the single biggest reviewer of Xtender products in this scene, having given them exposure time and time again.

Fuck.. I eat sushi with one of their reps. Few are more Xtender friendly than me. However.. I have no issue separating that and giving as I always have.. honest and in depth reviews.

Don't like that? Leave. Honestly. I'm only concerned about the product being good.. and working as advertised. (and it being marketed honestly)

You don't have to appreciate what I say.. or what I do for the scene. I could care less what you think. Keep it civil though.. as a few went over board and now have had their posts removed or edited  or accounts banned altother for forgetting this site has rules and they violated them in their heated responses.



4 accounts that were made for posting in this thread alone have been removed.. and it's funny how each one had the same IP.. said the same disparaging things about XS and it's views.. and yet pumped the shit out of this product without THEM having it in hand either.

Xtender Shills maybe? or just regular morons? Who cares.

least I based every ideas, comment, and feeling on eith experience with the Xtender products in the past, or faithfully reading their specs, docs, and watching the videos they are using to promote the product.

The 4 twits we just banned.. used nothing more than XFPS rules.. and that XS.. (me) don't have a clue about this product..

Staff will keep an eye on this thread. thanks to the head mod staff for dealing with Pro Xtender Shill accounts.

QUOTE(kronium @ Dec 24 2006, 01:55 AM)

Either both of you work for Team Xtender or you're both morons.  This is a crap product just like the original.  The video proves it.  Talk about damage control!

yah.. I dunno if those two guys are shills.. but I got the 4 others..

I can't say with 100% certainty if they are paid shills.. or just trouble makers looking to score some point taking shots at the big guy.

[HSDEMONZ]

You'll get exactly that from me.. an honest review. (as always)

On the topic of honest reviews..  it will be as complete as I can possibly make it. and I don't/won't pull punches. Other sites.. especially those HOSTED by their SPONSORS do that.

hmm.. I think I didn't want to say this until a few weeks down the road when I had a proper writeup done and prepared to be posted.. but.. I think I can elaborate on some aspects of it now as a teaser..

Personally.. I think it's one thing for a site to have sponsors. I think it's entirely another matter when a site is HOSTED by it's sponsors.. and then the site does reviews for products that are pretty much only sold on it's HOST sales site. you'll notice that with XS.. Xs has sponsors. Lots of little ads all over the place. what you'll also notice is that our reviews.. won't be swayed to sell the product.

I've panned more than one product that was reviewed.. despite it being on our sponsors top listings.

Other sites like Max Console for example, will never entirely pan a product ( I do however enjoy some of their reviews.. ) and won't go that extra step to say something is a bad product. Why? I'd wager it's because their hosting, being a prime Sales site.. wouldn't want to see a bad review of a product. (thats my opinion.. nothing more.)

something else to consider when reading our honest reviews.. and then those by others is you have to consider the advertisers links. I can't/won't say more variety in sponsors means a more honest review. However, a lack of variety.. especially when only ONE is usually noted.. and in what appears to always be favorable product reviews is highly suspect.

they aren't the only "review" sites out there only shilling reviews for stuff their HOST sells.. nor are they the only ones that will write a review.. list pros and cons.. and despite the cons.. still say the product is good. No matter how glaring the cons are.

maybe CONS is the appropriate word.

XS is a site, that sells nothing. Revenue is from the various forms of advertising.. all of which we consider valued sponsors of XS. However, NO sponsor, hosts us, nor do they have any control over our news, review, or views in the scene. We will on occassion write a review that will piss off a sponsor or a developer. It happens. We find in the end most developers/manufacturers of a product praise us for our honestly, even ifi it isn't always flattering to their product, or their bottom line.

TeamXtender.. has time and again be very honest with their responses to reviews.. and for that we appreciate them.. and I know they do us.

That can't be said for other scene sites..


Oh well... that's a topic for another thread.. Review site honesty. Site with Sponsors that don't answer to the sponsors.. and sites that are hosted entirely by their sponsors.. that do answer to their sponsors.

Definitely a topic worthy of a new post on hsdemonz.com some day.

EDIT: This post was never meant to point fingers at the small review sites out there that struggle for members.. but I doubt people will see it as anything but the Blue guy banging his drum and starting trouble.

Being the Blue Midget Bastard isn't as easy as it looks..

It takes hard work to use honesty, bravado, and the written word to piss off so many.. while educating the masses.

[phrozenfeonix]

QUOTE(HSDEMONZ @ Dec 26 2006, 10:41 PM)

...
Fuck.. I eat sushi with one of their reps. Few are more Xtender friendly than me. However.. I have no issue separating that and giving as I always have.. honest and in depth reviews.
...

Bias much?

On the otherhand, depending on how HaloWars pans out, i'd be tempted to pick one of these up for a 360 RTS styled game.