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By the time studios start using ICT, I am pretty sure the Xbox 720 w/ HDMI will be out.

[deltop]

QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Oct 13 2006, 02:19 PM)

Personally I wont be buying one, I'm waiting for the market to show a unified direction before I so much as spend an extra penny on hardware for HD movies.

I have better things to spend my money on then hopes and dreams that I made the right choice or that Evil Corp ™ wont induce the ICT down the road due to fear of the media.

I don't actually think it'll be too difficult to get working on a pc. So for me it makes a great investment. Since I'll be building a HTPC early next year it should work out quite well. Use with the 360 now, then plug into my HTPC for HDMI and full audio support later. Plug in a Blu-ray drive once cheap enough and voila high quality Blu-Ray and HD-DVD output for not too much money. I've already priced components for a HTPC and it works out much cheaper than I thought. This is of course all just theory atm, but if it can be used with a pc then the lack of HMDI and audio support isn't  total downer for those who like their HTPC's

[dokworm]

Who cares about HDMI, there is no guarantee it will be the standard in 4yrs time anyway, and by then HD-DVD players will be $50 or so like DVD players are now (my first DVD player cost nearly a grand in 1996!).

My big question is will they deinterlace to 1080P correctly and offer a refresh rate of 72Hz (or 71.whatever it works out to be) rather than a judder infested 60Hz.
It is important to have a multiple of 24fps for smooth playback of movies.

[JustDanMI]

Personally I won't be buying any HD disc player until Blockbuster start's carrying the disc's.  I rent all my movies, after I've seen it once, I really have no reason to watch it a second time.  When I can rent the movies locally, I'll buy a player.

[Elemino]

QUOTE(stbennet @ Oct 13 2006, 01:44 AM)

So if I use 360 vga output to a vga to dvi adapter to a dvi to hdmi cable, will I get (decent/improved/any) picture?

That's not possible. First off.. VGA is analog. DVI can be analog, digital, or both. HDMI is only digital. VGA to DVI adapters only convert the analog connections, DVI to hdmi only convert the digital connections.

This article should help you out.

http://www.datapro.n...o/dvi_info.html

[Elemino]

QUOTE(dokworm @ Oct 13 2006, 10:03 AM)

Who cares about HDMI, there is no guarantee it will be the standard in 4yrs time anyway

I can almost promise you it will be the standard. DVI-D was originally going to be the standard, but it was too big and needed a separate audio connection (which I still think is a better way using optical). The solution was to shrink it down and include the digital audio with it... the result was the High Definition Multimedia Interface... aka HDMI. I won't be too surprised if we eventually see monitors on computers end up with HDMI connections.

QUOTE(dokworm @ Oct 13 2006, 10:03 AM)

My big question is will they deinterlace to 1080P correctly and offer a refresh rate of 72Hz (or 71.whatever it works out to be) rather than a judder infested 60Hz.
It is important to have a multiple of 24fps for smooth playback of movies.

Who told you that? I'm pretty sure that (as long as you have good hardware) your eyes cannot tell the difference between 60 and 72Hz. But if you do have some scientific theory to back up your claims... I'd definately like to see it. BTW... most PC monitors work at 60Hz, and they play video from movies just fine.

[rasstar]

QUOTE(JustDanMI @ Oct 13 2006, 04:28 PM)

Personally I won't be buying any HD disc player until Blockbuster start's carrying the disc's.  I rent all my movies, after I've seen it once, I really have no reason to watch it a second time.  When I can rent the movies locally, I'll buy a player.

I feel exactly the same way. I never buy movies exactly for the same reason.

QUOTE(Fishtank @ Oct 13 2006, 05:06 PM)

Their arguments for "  HDTVmarket penetration" and all the rest are wearing pretty thin.  I'm more annoyed by the fact they claim "we CAN do it, we choose not to".  Then just sayin we left it out...can't be changed.

I love my 360 but I'm one of many that will own a ps3 as well...HDMI - Blu-Ray means I won't be buying any of MS's half-assed products that do but don't support, kinda work but not fully, not really a sure thing products.  I have no bias between one or the other, ps3 is just making an effort to include it, and include it to the fullest extent possible at this time.

I'm even one of those guys who doesn't really care about 1080p, component has a great picture so does 720p.  However, if you have the ability to offer the end-user the best experience possible...you should do it and quit making excuses... price it accordingly...people who want it will pay for it.

Yes it's included but how many ps3 potential customers will use it? Many people will end up shelling out $600 for some useless features. The market penetration of HDMI is in the single digits and not eveyone care about HD movies.

I prefer having the choice. I am not running out to buy an HDMI TV or plan to spend $30 on any movies. So I am not buying the HD DVD player hence saving myself $200.00.

[89c4l98]

QUOTE(rasstar @ Oct 13 2006, 10:43 AM)

If HDCP is ever implemented it will nto be anytime soon. How many have an HDCP complient display? Maybe less than 1%

I have 3 HDCP complient displays in my house... So what does that make me the entire 1%

[iPwn]

I cannot wait to do a casemod on the HD-DVD drive, but if you mess up, its quite a loss   You think after they got windows to recognize the drive, the first thing they would do is throw in a hd-dvd?...

[xsirxx]

Am I the only one worried about buying this?  Has anyone even played a dvd on their 360?  It looks like absolute shit.  I couldnt stand the artifacts and other problems from their so called software decoding.  If the HD-DVD movies look anywhere close to how bad dvds play, I will pass this up in a heartbeat.

[mc_365]

I think MS made the right decision.

You don't want it don't buy it.

Its cheaper than a standalone.

Only like 5 tvs support 1080P and Sony dosent make any of them.

If you do own a true 1080P set than why would you want to watch movies played through a game console?

More TVs in the wild have component and no HDMI or DVI than do so digital is a very small minority.

MS can competetively price the 360 because they don't need to recoup expensive HiDef Drive cost.

Other than the 1080P gimmick and the first gen bluRay drive the XBOX360 has the superior (efficiency).

MS is one of the main backers of HD-DVD and helped to develop some of the content protection used, so they know HDCP is not going to be strictley enforced for a few years at least.

[Caldor]

QUOTE(mc_365 @ Oct 14 2006, 07:41 AM)

Only like 5 tvs support 1080P and Sony dosent make any of them.

If you do own a true 1080P set than why would you want to watch movies played through a game console?

Other than the 1080P gimmick and the first gen bluRay drive the XBOX360 has the superior (efficiency).

These arguments are incorrect.

Sony itself has more than five models in the USA that support 1080P, and that's just one country's model range Sony internationally have far more different models. The Sony Braxia X LCD display range has more than five models. Then you have the Sony XRD LCOS model range. Then you have the Sony projector range. Ontop of this, *many* other manufacturers have native 1080P displays.

People with 1080P still want to enjoy the console solution for home theatre. It's cheap and certainly from the previous generation with XBMC gave better video quality, especially in the quality of the upscaling and interlacing. Many home theatre people with thousands of dollars into expensive scalers were upset to find the old xbox with XBMC provided better quality scaling.......

1080P is not a gimmick because progressive displays eliminate the possibility of interlaced artifacting. Progressive is better than interlaced.

[bcforn64]

I think MS should just say fuck it and release a 360 with HDMI and cut the bullshit. Early adopters will bitch but they could be given the option to register their xbox and name to get a free year of xbox live and a game or maybe even a check for money back. MS will loose a shit load of money, but they aready are. That way the PS3 won't have be able use that against MS, every PS3 now will have HDMI so blu-ray isn't in a position to have to comply with the encryption deal anymore.

[emko]

why use it on a PC?

[Elemino]

QUOTE(xsirxx @ Oct 13 2006, 03:38 PM)

Am I the only one worried about buying this?  Has anyone even played a dvd on their 360?  It looks like absolute shit.  I couldnt stand the artifacts and other problems from their so called software decoding.  If the HD-DVD movies look anywhere close to how bad dvds play, I will pass this up in a heartbeat.

I dont have any of these problems... are you sure you don't have a defective unit? Mine look great on the xbox... DTS and Dolby Digital both work fine too.