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[Spodie]

QUOTE(trey85stang @ Aug 15 2006, 05:17 AM)

at a $200 price point;  I will not be buying in.  I will wait for a standalone player to hit the $300 range.

  you might be waiting awhile  
I would like to watch HD content of my choosing on my LCD sometime soon. Thank god for Netflix, I hope their HD DVD & Blu-ray transition is smooth & there are disks available for everyone (hard to get popular new titles)

[maxpower2001]

For those of you saying that $200 is cheap, i can't agree.  How can you say it's cheap?  When you add the cost of the xbox360 plus the hd-dvd add-on, this hd-dvd player will end up costing more than a stand-alone player.  How is this $200 add-on considered cheap?

Sure you can argue that you're getting more than just a stand-alone player... you're getting a complete gaming/multimedia/hd-dvd machine.  But this machine still comes out more expensive than a ps3.  All i hear everyday about ps3 is that it's just way too expensive... and i agree it is pretty expensive.  But looking at MS's $200 price tag for their hd-dvd I don't see how you can say it's cheap.  If you think that this add-on is cheap then sony's ps3 is a bargain.

[skarekr0]

QUOTE(maxpower2001 @ Aug 15 2006, 12:48 AM)

For those of you saying that $200 is cheap, i can't agree.  How can you say it's cheap?  When you add the cost of the xbox360 plus the hd-dvd add-on, this hd-dvd player will end up costing more than a stand-alone player.  How is this $200 add-on considered cheap?

Sure you can argue that you're getting more than just a stand-alone player... you're getting a complete gaming/multimedia/hd-dvd machine.  But this machine still comes out more expensive than a ps3.  All i hear everyday about ps3 is that it's just way too expensive... and i agree it is pretty expensive.  But looking at MS's $200 price tag for their hd-dvd I don't see how you can say it's cheap.  If you think that this add-on is cheap then sony's ps3 is a bargain.

Thats exactly what ive been trying to say. I dont think that $200 is that bad if you already have a 360, but my point was the whole "flinging shit" thing. I personally feel that the 360 is a rip off considering what they gave us with the original xbox, they basically created the ps3 (with the assistance of the mod scene of course) and then they turned around and took away all of those features just so they could save money and then say its about choice. Thats what irritates me. They should have waited, kept the hdd standard, put the HD-DVD, Included DVI and/or HDMI and Included Wi-Fi with the package. In other words, they should have produced exactly what Sony is producing.  
 

[infamous_Q]

you guys don't seem to get why they didn't include HD-DVD in their console. the reason for this is because then the console becomes part of the media war. and if blue-ray wins, then it SERIOUSLY increases the chances of the xbox360 failing. the 360 is sold as a console (now with the option of being a larger part of your home theatre experience). the ps3 is sold as an all around entertainment center (console and hd movies in one) a reason it is more expensive. the reason sony is likely including blue-ray in their console is because they know they dominated the market last gen, and if they do it again this year then blue-ray will win outright. M$ not being the actual creators of hd-dvd and just standing by its side at this point smartened up and offered it externally. which means that if blue-ray wins the battle they can offer an external one as well (although that'll be unbelievably expensive). THAT is why they're offering it externally, this way if hd-dvd wins, toshiba gets screwed and doesn't take M$'s new baby down with it. so deal w/ the $200 price tag, or don't.

[sicknasty413]

you know why its better to buy a premium 360 and hd-dvd addon (along with wi-fi, etc).. even if its more expensive... well, ill tell you. BECAUSE XBOX 360>PS3 and Halo 3>all ps3 games.

Thats right, i went there.

But hell, ill probably pick up a ps3.. just to say i have one...even though i despise ps1 and ps2  

[Unregistered007]

I am sorry but PS3 is a better deal ... I don't like bulky external crap...

[KUNFUCHOPSTICKS]

QUOTE(infamous_Q @ Aug 15 2006, 06:38 AM)

you guys don't seem to get why they didn't include HD-DVD in their console. the reason for this is because then the console becomes part of the media war. and if blue-ray wins, then it SERIOUSLY increases the chances of the xbox360 failing. the 360 is sold as a console (now with the option of being a larger part of your home theatre experience). the ps3 is sold as an all around entertainment center (console and hd movies in one) a reason it is more expensive. the reason sony is likely including blue-ray in their console is because they know they dominated the market last gen, and if they do it again this year then blue-ray will win outright. M$ not being the actual creators of hd-dvd and just standing by its side at this point smartened up and offered it externally. which means that if blue-ray wins the battle they can offer an external one as well (although that'll be unbelievably expensive). THAT is why they're offering it externally, this way if hd-dvd wins, toshiba gets screwed and doesn't take M$'s new baby down with it. so deal w/ the $200 price tag, or don't.

good explianation.....

but we all know blu-ray is gonna fail, so its gonna be: betamax/umd/blu-ray trash. and we all thought sopny learned its lesson from betamax, even umd

[SSChevy2001]

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but we all know blu-ray is gonna fail, so its gonna be: betamax/umd/blu-ray trash. and we all thought sopny learned its lesson from betamax, even umd

Don't forget about sony's MiniDisc

[IAmCanadian]

HD DVD players must follow AACS guidelines pertaining to outputs over analog connections. This is set by a flag called the Image Constraint Token (ICT), which restricts the resolution for analog outputs without HDCP to 960×540. The decision to set the flag to restrict output ("down-convert") is left to the content provider.

What about this? The 360 doesn't have DVI or HDMI, so how do we get the HDCP?

[KUNFUCHOPSTICKS]

QUOTE(IAmCanadian @ Aug 15 2006, 08:52 PM)

HD DVD players must follow AACS guidelines pertaining to outputs over analog connections. This is set by a flag called the Image Constraint Token (ICT), which restricts the resolution for analog outputs without HDCP to 960×540. The decision to set the flag to restrict output ("down-convert") is left to the content provider.

What about this? The 360 doesn't have DVI or HDMI, so how do we get the HDCP?

no need to worry about that yet, all the inital moveis on BD and HD DVD will not implement this.
peace

[iforbes]

QUOTE(IAmCanadian @ Aug 16 2006, 01:52 AM)

HD DVD players must follow AACS guidelines pertaining to outputs over analog connections. This is set by a flag called the Image Constraint Token (ICT), which restricts the resolution for analog outputs without HDCP to 960×540. The decision to set the flag to restrict output ("down-convert") is left to the content provider.

What about this? The 360 doesn't have DVI or HDMI, so how do we get the HDCP?

Two things;

Of topic.
The xbox 360 is perfectly capable of displaying 1080p as stated by ATI, and MS. The problem is, 1080p is locked to 25fps, 1080i can display 60fps which is better for fast motion picture (a reason why most HD-DVD movies @ 1080i currently looks better then Blu-ray movies @1080p) and of course 720p is the best for the frame rates needs for most video games.

Back on topic.
What's so bad about 960x540? It's better then DVD. CRT HD sets can only display up to that high anyway and expensive plasmas only display a tad above that.

I say, if you have a 50" set or less, and/or you sit further then 10 feet away to watch movies, don't worry about HDMI - it's nothing more then a marketing/licensing gimik to get you to spend much more for nothing.

Besides that and back to the first point, the console/player will have to putput digital to display 1080p. and this is why MS will releasing a HDMI/DVI dongle by the end of the year which wil bypass the TV encoder analog signal.

So don't worry, and just be......

[KUNFUCHOPSTICKS]

QUOTE(iforbes @ Aug 16 2006, 09:10 AM)

 The problem is, 1080p is locked to 25fps,

huh?