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[redwolf]

$200 ??...and how much per film? fuck that, i'm happy with my XBMC & x360's upscale DVD via VGA....


i'm getting the Wii

[sofa king dumb]

does'nt the wii have a hd dvd player and only $50 more?

[Madgame]

QUOTE(sofa king dumb @ Aug 14 2006, 06:27 PM)

does'nt the wii have a hd dvd player and only $50 more?

 I didn't even think the Wii played plain old DVD.

[BasicAir]

$200 is worth it.

And for the record, Blu-Ray does not offer "much higher capacity" compared to HD-DVD. HD-DVD offers up to 45GB which is barely behind that of Blu-Ray.

Also, it can support full HD-resolution movies with even 7.1 mixes and extras, etc. Plus it uses red lasers (cheaper) and cheaper media, etc. etc.

Everyone here needs to stop whining.

Oh and if you want the TRUE FACTS on HD-DVD, instead of hearing these "rumors" just check recent news articles or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_DVD

I REST MY CASE.


"HD DVD can be mastered with up to 7.1 channel surround sound using the linear (uncompressed) PCM, Dolby Digital and DTS formats also used on DVDs. In addition, it also supports Dolby Digital Plus and the lossless formats Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD. Currently, most DVD movies are made with 5.1 channels of surround sound. There are relatively few titles that offer 6.1 channels of surround sound. On HD DVD the Dolby formats are mandatory, meaning that a Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital Plus, or Dolby TrueHD track may be used as the sole soundtrack on a disc, because every player will have a decoder that can process any of these three bitstreams.[4] For lossless audio in movies in the PCM, Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD formats, HD DVD discs support encoding in up to 24-bit/192kHz for two channels, or up to eight channels of up to 24-bit/96kHz encoding.[5] For reference, even new big-budget Hollywood films are mastered in only 24-bit/48kHz, with 16-bit/48kHz being common for ordinary films.

The HD DVD format supports a wide variety of resolutions, from low-resolution CIF and SDTV up to HDTV formats such as 720p, 1080i and 1080p.[6] All movie titles released so far have had the feature encoded in 1080p (although the currently available HD DVD players do not have a 1080p output option), with supplements in 480i or 480p."

[MN-Mod-Man]

Those who think $200 is too much obviously don't realize stand alone HD-DVD players are $500... this while not for all is a pretty good and relatively cheap alternative to $500.

[twistedsymphony]

QUOTE(BasicAir @ Aug 14 2006, 01:31 PM)

$200 is worth it.

And for the record, Blu-Ray does not offer "much higher capacity" compared to HD-DVD. HD-DVD offers up to 45GB which is barely behind that of Blu-Ray.

Also, it can support full HD-resolution movies with even 7.1 mixes and extras, etc. Plus it uses red lasers (cheaper) and cheaper media, etc. etc.

Everyone here needs to stop whining.

Oh and if you want the TRUE FACTS on HD-DVD, instead of hearing these "rumors" just check recent news articles or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_DVD
...

1. HD-DVD IS a "media"... unless you're refering to the material as the "media" in which case both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD use similar plastic and metal foil.

2. HD-DVD, like Blu-Ray uses a BLUE/VIOLET laser, not a red laser.

You would have known those things if you'd read the article you yourself linked to:

The very first paragraph of the article

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HD DVD (High Density Digital Versatile Disc or High Definition Digital Video Disc) is a digital optical media format which can hold high definition video or other data. HD DVD is similar to the competing Blu-ray Disc, which also uses the same CD-size (120 mm diameter) optical data storage media and 405 nm wavelength blue laser.

 

*emphesis mine

[BasicAir]

QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Aug 14 2006, 06:46 PM)

1. HD-DVD IS a "media"... unless you're refering to the material as the "media" in which case both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD use similar plastic and metal foil.

2. HD-DVD, like Blu-Ray uses a BLUE/VIOLET laser, not a red laser.

You would have known those things if you'd read the article you yourself linked to:

The very first paragraph of the article

 

*emphesis mine

1. Are you lacking IQ? Of course I meant the actual physical media and was referencing the fact that it's cheaper to make/press and therefor market HD-DVD discs vs. Blu-Ray.

2. I was meaning that HD-DVD *also* can use a red laser. Obviously you didn't even read the whole article:

"The HD DVD format also can be applied to current red laser DVDs in 5, 9, 15 and 18 GB capacities which offers an even lower cost option to content owners wanting to sell short form content."

(And for the record, I didn't read the ENTIRE article until today because I've been researching both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD for years. So many years ago that a google search for either term 'blu-ray' or 'hd-dvd' would only have 2-3 hits TOTAL and NO I'm *not* exaggerating)

[sicknasty413]

Personally, im not to much of a DVD person... despite what format its in. So, im deffinetly not getting this anytime soon... even though its a pretty decent price compared to standalones.

Ill take my 200 and buy a wii (which is a very stupid name).

[nickthegreat]

good point on the wii ^^
to be fair, lets get a grip here - if you can afford the set up to take full advantage of HD tv and the sound the media offers (or even care about the difference between upscaled DVD and HD-DVD/blu ray) then you can afford $200 (or perhaps even a PS3). ffs, imagine if you lived in the uk......$200 my arse, that would fill up my car with petrol 3 times  
nick

[Ranger72]

$200 is too much. This thing is nothing more than a mechanical drive. All the real work is done on the 360 itself. So basically you are paying $200 for a basic drive with a USB adapter.

this is very disappointing. I was hoping the price would be closer to $125 to $150 range.  

[nickthegreat]

QUOTE(JimmyHACK @ Aug 14 2006, 08:00 PM)

yet give you HD movies instead of 600 for 360 premium + addon

- if you care enough about HiDef you will either:
a)spend $200
or
b)buy a PROPER drive (after all, chances are youve spent alot so far and therefore probably have a job. those going for option 'a' probably also have a girlfriend and thus are happy but financially crippled at the same time.)

either way I don't see why the PS3 should come into it; if anything this merely gives the ability to turn around to the fanboy and state that HD doesn't come into it, 'its just about the games.'
nick
edit: why would you keep the 360 and get aPS3 based upon HD? I would keep the 360 and spend the $500 on a standalone (in fact id sod the HD and buy both consoles but if i loved spending $30 on a movie thats what id do), then wait until the PS3 comes down in price and if you prefer the games sell the xbox and buy the PS.

[tutu]

Bollocks to Sony and MS. Just get a standalone player that handles both HD-DVD and blueray (due out sometime later this year hopefully).

They can have there little war.

Besides, consoles are usually too noisy for playback of movies. I know my 360 is!  

[AngelBallz69]

I agree with add......... m$ proving there fucking geniouses for this past week , there killing sony day by day with everythign there doing expecialy with the homebrew game idea...............

[0794]

$200 is not only a good but fair price as well.

MS has played it well this Generation by basically allowing you to design your console to your needs instead of forcing technology (and cost) onto those who don't need it like Sony is doing with the PS3.

Anyone with a true "home theater" will not be using a gaming console as their video/audio source and thus won't care about add-on drives for either high-def formats - MS and Sony know this.  So their market is for those who would like to play the new Hi-Def movies using a device they already own (or plan on buying soon)...like a gaming console.  Thus, the MS add-on drive gives those more flexibility (and a reduced cost) in their choice.  Plus, we all know what happens if/when drives go bad...making an internalized drive more difficult to replace.

As for me, I don't care about Wi-Fi nor Hi-Def on a gaming console and so the 360 is perfect for me.  However, if the PS3 were to have homebrew first with any formats playable like the current XBMC, then I would also buy a PS3 without hesitation.

[achilles614]

QUOTE(794 @ Aug 14 2006, 09:31 PM)

$200 is not only a good but fair price as well.

MS has played it well this Generation by basically allowing you to design your console to your needs instead of forcing technology (and cost) onto those who don't need it like Sony is doing with the PS3.

Anyone with a true "home theater" will not be using a gaming console as their video/audio source and thus won't care about add-on drives for either high-def formats - MS and Sony know this.  So their market is for those who would like to play the new Hi-Def movies using a device they already own (or plan on buying soon)...like a gaming console.  Thus, the MS add-on drive gives those more flexibility (and a reduced cost) in their choice.  Plus, we all know what happens if/when drives go bad...making an internalized drive more difficult to replace.

As for me, I don't care about Wi-Fi nor Hi-Def on a gaming console and so the 360 is perfect for me.  However, if the PS3 were to have homebrew first with any formats playable like the current XBMC, then I would also buy a PS3 without hesitation.

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