Topic: Xbox 360 Problems Might Be Due To Manufacturing Issues (Read 1251 times)

Tito2k6 · « **Reply #60 on:** September 21, 2006, 08:40:00 PM »

All of this is moot right now. MS has basically admitted that this is a manufacturing error.

This topic should be closed (after a final thought from our head mod, of course).

Those who have opened their consoles and are now unable to enjoy MS's good will should start a new topic. This thread has been going astray for quite some time now. Time to open a "what the hell is MS doing to repair these systems?" thread (for those who have already busted their warranty stickers)

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chuxterofdoom · « **Reply #61 on:** September 22, 2006, 06:28:00 PM »

QUOTE(Tito2k6 @ Sep 21 2006, 10:47 PM)

Time to open a "what the hell is MS doing to repair these systems?" thread (for those who have already busted their warranty stickers)

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Way ahead of your there buddy.

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Draeconix · « **Reply #62 on:** September 24, 2006, 04:28:00 AM »

QUOTE(ewok666 @ Sep 16 2006, 10:31 PM)

On my dead 360, most of the capacitors are brown but there are a few yellow ones around the GPU. My newer replacement board has silver capacitors where the yellow ones were. Maybe(!) the yellow ones had problems....maybe not but it would be interesting to look into.

Unless someone has more evidence, The discoloration is generally indicitive of the components getting too warm. The heat changed the color of the label or covering on the outside of the capacitors.

jjjohnso · « **Reply #63 on:** September 24, 2006, 11:32:00 AM »

I had error code 0102, have done the heat gun fix, and am now getting the 0002 error code. Does anyone know why this would be? Should I go buy new power cord??? Any help would be appreciated

faceless · « **Reply #64 on:** September 25, 2006, 07:32:00 PM »

so i tried the heat gun fix @ 450F for 2 minutes, tested, put it back together, etc, and the console worked for about 15 minutes...
then i tried @ 550f for 2 minutes and again it worked for about 15 minutes...

yeah i think i'll just gonna call MS and get them to repair/replace it

ewok666 · « **Reply #65 on:** September 25, 2006, 09:08:00 PM »

QUOTE(Draeconix @ Sep 24 2006, 11:35 AM)

Unless someone has more evidence, The discoloration is generally indicitive of the components getting too warm. The heat changed the color of the label or covering on the outside of the capacitors.

Dude....they had brown packaging from day one. They didn't TURN brown while the 360 was running. If they HAD then yes, there might be a heat issue ;-)

A while back there was an issue with faulty capacitors on PC motherboards that eventually caused the systems to fail....so who knows. Or maybe it is just the solder after all.

Cheers

faceless · « **Reply #66 on:** September 26, 2006, 01:47:00 AM »

after trying at 750, i was like "well, this is getting fucking annoying" so i skipped 850F and went straight to 950F...

and my 360 has been running for 2 hours now and hasn't frozen yet

so far so good!

Darth Darius · « **Reply #67 on:** September 27, 2006, 09:35:00 AM »

Well, just for feedback, i got the 3 red lights of death, errror 0102, my problem was my console buy on may was freezing some times, gradualy frezzing until jus the red lights appear, i lost warranty because i open the damn thing

, well first i do the fan mod (12 v) , it last 2 days and happend again,so i decide do the heatgun fix, and it works for me!!! i had 2 weeks without problems!!!.

victor_s · « **Reply #68 on:** September 30, 2006, 03:14:00 PM »

Hello, im new to the forums and i joined because i had the same 3 red lights of death error. Well i read
the articles about how to change the thermal compoud and i also got my error code witch was 1002.
My xbox used to freeze up and i couldnt play it for more then 3seconds before it crashed and when i used to try and turn it back on i used to get the 3 red leights of death.
Well this morning i actually tried to take it apart and try the heat gun trick.

It was fairly simple to do, it took more time to actually dissasemble the xbox then to do the trick.
(yeah i know im not 2 quick with it), after doing that i taught to my self to change the thermal paste.
I used some ArticClean Thermal Material Remover then some Thermal surface purifier and the xbox stock putty came out like butter. It was fairly simple to accomplish and it did help my xbox since now it works.

I tryed turning it on with no case right after the heatgun and the changing of the thermal putty and the Heatsinks were on fire, litteraly i couldnt hold my finger on it for more then 1 second. Then i taught to my self i put everything in good but i tryed puttin on that littly white airflow piece that connects to the heatsinks, and guess what. That little piece works wonders, im still wondering why it used to heat up so much with it off, shouldnt it be better since theirs more airflor but i guess not since it channels all the hot air towards the fans and not the rest of the motherboard. I played saints row a little without the white piece and it froze. Gave me a 2 red light error, player one and 3. Then i tryed once more with the white part on and with it on it works fine.

The thermal paste dropped my xbox down a couple of degrees and it doesnt seem to over heat anymore.
Im guessing its a good fix for the problem seemed to work fine for me.

Sniper_xB · « **Reply #69 on:** October 03, 2006, 04:10:00 PM »

Another happy heat gun person/360!!!

Darth Darius · « **Reply #70 on:** October 04, 2006, 09:23:00 AM »

Still working!!!!, about 3 weeks, playing everyday!!!!

Cheers!!!!

BCfosheezy · « **Reply #71 on:** October 04, 2006, 09:45:00 AM »

QUOTE(mrRobinson @ Sep 21 2006, 03:21 PM)

ok 2 questions
1. what is the desired benefit of only putting them in diagonal?
2. wasnt the silver foil "mistake" debunked? Isn't it ok that its there?

I just want to stay up to date with the latest theories as I have 3 boxes with intermittent 3 red lights and will need to take some action shortly.

Response to #2. No. It is impossible to "debunk" the fact that putting any material between the die and the heatsink acts as an insulator. In every case where I've removed this, applied AS5 I have been successful in repairing the console. There are many myths floating around about xbox 360 repair. The #1 myth is the "heatgun" trick. Everyone who does this reports that immediately after the console worked and then the problem returned. That's because it's an overheating issue. Any time you unplug the console after an error and let it sit, it will power back on next time. This is why the previous poster who thinks the heatgun trick works also does the dimpling. Simply increasing the pressure beteen the gpu and heatsink makes a drastic difference. This all shows you where the problem lies. It's definitely not with poor solder connections.

cdn_bacon · « **Reply #72 on:** October 05, 2006, 07:43:00 AM »

I have a question. Where exactly do I point the heat gun. I cannot get the video to load on my PC. It s says either java is disabled or I need to get Flash. I have checked both and dled the latest of each to make sure and still nothing works. I have my 360 apart and ready to go, just need to know where to point the gun and for how long.

jdrapp01 · « **Reply #73 on:** October 05, 2006, 06:42:00 PM »

QUOTE(snowblind99 @ Aug 31 2006, 08:17 AM)

The standard Xbox 360 warranty is 90 days. If you are out of that time frame they will charge you to fix it. My 360 which I got at launch, recently came down with the dreaded three red lights. I called MS last night and asked for repair, they quoted me the usual $140 or so to fix it. However I live in MA. Our state like others has the Implied Warranty of Merchantability. (Mass. Gen. Law Chapter 106
Sections 2-314, 2-316A) This means that when you buy something it should work as stated for a reasonable amount of time. 9 mos for a $400 console is not reasonable. I got them to fix it for free at no cost ot me. Now they tell me it can take up to a month for the process, I told them that was unacceptable. I asked them to expidite it, they refused. Well MA also has a Consumer regulation (940 CMR 6.12) which states that if a product is defective the customer can choose a repair, replacement or a refund and that your remedy cannot be limited by the retailer or the manufacturer. In otherwords if they don't play nice and expidite it I will demand a new console. I have yet to get an answer on that one but will update when I get one.

So any of you that have this issue and live in MA you can get it fixed for free. If you don't live in MA check and see if your state has these regulations and present them to MS, they will have no choice but the fix it for nothing. I am not an attorney, just a frustrated consumer who is sick of beta testing products and having to pay them to do it.

Good luck to all of you.

It's good to know that Implied Warrenty of Merchantability is in West Vignia, but is t Consumer regulation in WV as well? I purchased my 360 on 9/17, and my problems started 10/2, 2 WEEKS. It started freezing playing MP3's off of the HDD. Then it started crashing playing games. Then it freezes at the startup logo, now it won't even boot and gives me the 3 red lights of death. I might even sell it once I get it back because I don't want this thing to die after the warranty. Snowblind do you know if the 2nd law you talked about is in WV? If so I might just demand my money back. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grr.gif) and my Manufacture date was June 20 2006!!!!! The thing is brand new!

This post has been edited by jdrapp01: Oct 6 2006, 01:46 AM

Great2bfree · « **Reply #74 on:** October 06, 2006, 12:54:00 AM »

Is a 1500W hot gun good? Any recomendation? I see guns that do 375 to 495 celcius. Whats recommended?

This post has been edited by Great2bfree: Oct 6 2006, 08:01 AM

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