Topic: Xbox 360 Problems Might Be Due To Manufacturing Issues (Read 1250 times)

liq456 · « **Reply #45 on:** September 15, 2006, 09:23:00 PM »

what we need to do is track the lot# and manufacture dates of the 360's having the problems, maybe its a bad lot or a range of dates with the problems. I will post my info when i get home.

liq456 · « **Reply #46 on:** September 16, 2006, 02:17:00 PM »

Xbox 360 details:
Pack:    Xbox 360 Premium
Video mode:    NTSC
Manufacturer date:    2005-12-18
Lot number:    0551
Team number:    W2H0

please post your info

ewok666 · « **Reply #47 on:** September 16, 2006, 03:24:00 PM »

QUOTE(liq456 @ Sep 16 2006, 03:54 AM)

what we need to do is track the lot# and manufacture dates of the 360's having the problems, maybe its a bad lot or a range of dates with the problems. I will post my info when i get home.

On my dead 360, most of the capacitors are brown but there are a few yellow ones around the GPU. My newer replacement board has silver capacitors where the yellow ones were. Maybe(!) the yellow ones had problems....maybe not but it would be interesting to look into.

krc784 · « **Reply #48 on:** September 16, 2006, 04:50:00 PM »

Hey do yall know if this heat gun trick might work on error 0110?

leorimolo · « **Reply #49 on:** September 16, 2006, 05:03:00 PM »

check the faq althought I belive it wont.

kip · « **Reply #50 on:** September 18, 2006, 02:34:00 AM »

hi guys ive just bought a 360 that has this problem 0102 and ive found if i press down on one of the corners of the chip thats under the dvd drive it dissappears it lasted for about 7hrs worth of ontime but ive also downloaded 1gig of stuff from xbox live with no covers on box and played motogp with no problems COULD I SPOT SOME HOT GLUE ROUND THE CHIP when i know the box is working or do i have to do heatgun trick any advice welcome

xbox 360
mftr 08/10/2005

nitussi · « **Reply #51 on:** September 18, 2006, 11:06:00 AM »

I repaired about 15 systems with the heat gun and had about 7 come back.

After reheating to a higher temperature and indenting the eight heat sink holes on the metal case, I have not had any returns.

To indent the holes, remove motherboard and everything from the steel cage. Lay the cage normal flat(just like the 360 sits when it is flat). Take a big phillip screwdriver with a tip about three times bigger than the hole. Put the tip on one of the holes. Then take a hammer and give the screwdriver a couple lite wacks. You want to create a small dent or crater. Just enough to see a little difference. Repeat this for the remaining seven holes. When you rub your hand across the bottom of the cage where the holes are, you should feel eight small pimples.

The theory behind this is when you put everything back together and tighten those eight little heatsink screws, there will be a tighter bond between the GPU/CPU and their heatsinks. This could also be a reason why that over time these systems seem to fail. Dont over tighten the screws because they will strip or break.

The next system I get I will try this without the heatgun fix and see if it works. I will post back if it does.

mrRobinson · « **Reply #52 on:** September 19, 2006, 07:27:00 AM »

Can you take a pic next time you do it too? I'm going to have to try something soon and I just want to be clear on what to do with minimal risk.

Looouky · « **Reply #53 on:** September 19, 2006, 01:09:00 PM »

Yes this is a manufacturing problem, but it is result of not using lead base solder. Ever since RoHS many companies are having issues manufacturing electronic equipment, because this is all new territory. Manufactures have been using lead solder since the begining of CPUs, the new laws have force many experimental process, and as a result issues have resurfaced that had been priviously solved.

Dam Europe and their green laws have made it harder for everyone. As a matter fact even a nuclear facility has been plagued by these problems, and these facility are suppose to be built on the most tested and reliable equipment in the world.

Stop blaming MS, it is the result of force evolution by governments.

here is info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RoHS.

twistedsymphony · « **Reply #54 on:** September 20, 2006, 07:36:00 AM »

QUOTE(Looouky @ Sep 19 2006, 03:16 PM)

Yes this is a manufacturing problem, but it is result of not using lead base solder. Ever since RoHS many companies are having issues manufacturing electronic equipment, because this is all new territory. Manufactures have been using lead solder since the begining of CPUs, the new laws have force many experimental process, and as a result issues have resurfaced that had been priviously solved.

Dam Europe and their green laws have made it harder for everyone. As a matter fact even a nuclear facility has been plagued by these problems, and these facility are suppose to be built on the most tested and reliable equipment in the world.

Stop blaming MS, it is the result of force evolution by governments.

here is info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RoHS.

Good info but there are quite a few reasonable alternatives, it's not like they didn't know that they'd have to change over.

Also if non-lead solder was such a problem MS could have easily gone with a different solution, like a mechanical connection as opposed BGA.

cr4ck3rj4ck · « **Reply #55 on:** September 20, 2006, 08:17:00 AM »

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like a mechanical connection as opposed BGA.

The only other solution is a surface mounted component, which would leave the pins exposed. I'm sure they don't want this for fear that someone could probe the bus and crack the 360's elaborate encryption system.

kip · « **Reply #56 on:** September 20, 2006, 04:55:00 PM »

well i heatgunned the xbox mobo this morning put it back together but only put the heatsinks screws in diagonal ie 2 on each and ive palyed motogp xbox live watched films and no problems so far .. big difference in fan noise now.. as if it working about same noise as xbox1 hers hoping its cured ..also removed siver foil under heatsink..it benn on for a while now no lockups or anything suss

grim_d · « **Reply #57 on:** September 20, 2006, 04:28:00 PM »

QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Sep 7 2006, 06:30 PM)

I would think that if it feels warmer on the outside that would be better, meaning that more heat is radiating from the chip instead if sitting in there baking it. (heat rises so while space under the console is good it's not as imporant as other factors).

IIRC xboxexpert temperature tested the console and found that the heat pipe was more efficient when the console was sitting horizontal. it makes more sense that it would be from a physics perspective anyway.

ive always thought it would have made more sense to have the cpu heatsink flipped round, so that the large bend was on the other side making it more effective for people who sit is vertical.

Obviously space is an issue but im sure they could have thought it out more

mrRobinson · « **Reply #58 on:** September 21, 2006, 02:14:00 PM »

QUOTE(kip @ Sep 20 2006, 06:26 PM)

well i heatgunned the xbox mobo this morning put it back together but only put the heatsinks screws in diagonal ie 2 on each and ive palyed motogp xbox live watched films and no problems so far .. big difference in fan noise now.. as if it working about same noise as xbox1 hers hoping its cured ..also removed siver foil under heatsink..it benn on for a while now no lockups or anything suss

ok 2 questions
1. what is the desired benefit of only putting them in diagonal?
2. wasnt the silver foil "mistake" debunked? Isn't it ok that its there?

I just want to stay up to date with the latest theories as I have 3 boxes with intermittent 3 red lights and will need to take some action shortly.

kip · « **Reply #59 on:** September 21, 2006, 05:31:00 PM »

the diagonal thing was lazyiness and silver foil was cos i wnted a peek at how much stuff they d used without the screws in holding down the heatsink it redlighted after 15secs.. 2 red lights over heatin error .. im still playing away at xbox live motogp and downloading demos with no problems fingers crossed it will last .. give heatgun a go you ve nowt to lose if they re half fooked

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