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[82_Z28]

please note, this is not targeted at XS but simply 360 modding news in general.

the play on words in 360 news has been interesting at best.

lets see, now I don't bother checking anything titled "360 mod chip", (its never what I think it is) and now "homebrew" or "homemade" (because that can be any user created method)  the only thing left is unsigned code.  I'd like to see THAT in a 360 news post!


someday...

[flashfreak]

and we havn't seen anything on that...

Seriously, enough with the fucking dvd hacks. If people are too poor to afford games then they shouldn't be gamers. I know some people use them for legitimate backups, which is cool, but this is just piracy, and while thats kinda ok, this whole DVD-Firmware shit has gotten out of control. Thats pretty much all the 'news' page is now.

[X-Staff]

Hi - I'm representing Xecuter. I figured we needed to reply to some of this nonsense. This is a free project. Its open source. The mod as it stands right now does MORE than the likes of NME (media check patching on Hitachi) - Its the first homebrew project for modchips ever in the xbox scene's history. If you dont like it you need to STFU as its not our fault you cant understand it. When we release the first sources this week and you all see the improvements made and other people using it without it costing them hardly any money - then you'll be thinking why did you bitch ?

We get bitched at by a minority no matter what we do, thats life.

QUOTE(sinister slipknot @ Aug 8 2006, 06:52 PM)

Another on-the-fly patcher, i love all these things for the 360, that theres a hundred versions of  

But this one is free. And will be developed by the community. Why complain ?

QUOTE(chalosf @ Aug 8 2006, 06:52 PM)

This is not homebrew..Looks like all they will be realeasing is a modified source for an NME-360 chip, nothing new.  I guess they don't want other people making all the money like they are used to...like their chips weren't overpriced!!

You are talking without any knowledge whatsoever. This is not any kindof modified source - this is original source coded to a completely different IC (a PIC in fact not a cpld - just to show how easy it is) and its released to give something to use and improve yourselves. How can you complain if this makes things cheaper easier simpler and educational. Why hate ?

QUOTE(bucko @ Aug 8 2006, 07:01 PM)

yes, yes confusing title "Homebrew DVD PatchMod" it nearly had me fooled when I was looking through my RSS feed. It should be titled Homebrew mod chip by Xecuter or something. Don't you love the world of marketing...

Marketing ? Its a free open source project ! - You'll see......

QUOTE(turboman29 @ Aug 8 2006, 07:30 PM)

I dont get it....   why...why..You ask me this is a desperate move by Team X to get a ...well something out ....SAD....just...SAD    

You call us SAD ? What have you ever done for the scene? We are trying to start an open source project and all i'm seeing is people talking like bitches. now THATS sad.

QUOTE(31337one @ Aug 8 2006, 07:51 PM)

Is this XHM really even needed. The new firmwares themselves do what the chip claims to do.

I guess if you didnt want to flash your drive.....

Is an open source project for a modchip to give features more than any other at a cost of $5 - $10 really needed ? Wake up please. I guess you never heard of the ICE open source project for the PS2 back in the day.

QUOTE(DCFluX @ Aug 8 2006, 08:21 PM)

I read that as something along the lines of "We're out of ideas on how to crack this bitch, can we have some of yours?"

I wasn't the first to hate Team Xecuter, and I am not going to be the last.

But the question is why do you hate? You have no legitimate reason. You only prove yourself to be a hater and anti-scene - as per usual.

QUOTE(mksoftware @ Aug 8 2006, 10:12 PM)

Holy crap. those Xbox 360 DVD-Drive mods keep falling out of the sky...

I dont see any open source free projects falling out of the sky ?

QUOTE(flashfreak @ Aug 9 2006, 03:25 AM)

Yeah it doesn't say anything about this USB adapter. Whats confusing me is, the 360 has USB as well, but im guessing this is some kind of bootable device for the PC that will just run everything automatically??

And yeah, enough with the dvd-firmware mods, i am so over it. Focus on something good, like homebrew and an actual modchip (NOT for the dvd-drive ffs)

we've been releasing news regarding the X360 USB for weeks - i suggest you look at news archives for more info.

QUOTE(Avenger 2.0 @ Aug 9 2006, 09:50 AM)

Very nice  

But what about running unsigned code? Xecuter was claming some time ago that they discovered a hole, which would let you execute unsigned xbox code...

No - we simply confirmed that the hole that was found was true as it was branded as fake by the usual minority of haters and idiots.

However we have been working alongside a couple of tech freinds who discovered this and there have been some intersting results - just becuase there is no news doesnt mean no work is going on behind the scenes.

[Arch0n]

QUOTE(X-Staff @ Aug 9 2006, 11:13 AM)

Hi - I'm representing Xecuter. I figured we needed to reply to some of this nonsense. This is a free project. Its open source. The mod as it stands right now does MORE than the likes of NME (media check patching on Hitachi) ... If you dont like it you need to STFU as its not our fault you cant understand it. When we release the first sources this week and you all see the improvements made and other people using it without it costing them hardly any money - then you'll be thinking why did you bitch ?

Don't mind the minority, if there's people out there willing to pay $$ for something someone else is going to provide the know-how for and that they could build for $ then that's their prerogative (lame as it may be).

QUOTE(X-Staff @ Aug 9 2006, 11:13 AM)

- It's the first homebrew project for modchips ever in the xbox scene's history.

I gotta disagree here. The aladdin CPLD code and protel files for the PCB were made public a long time ago - cuz you're a new member I'll let it slide    BTW the PIC will be easier tho and haters might learn a useful skill by tinkering w/ this bit of kit


To the haters - yeah TX never did anything for the scene except make money out of it - oh wait on, I've only used thier BIOS in every box I've ever chipped for customers (except when 1.6 was an isue - now fixed!!) and use their image on my gamin' box -  meh silly me.

[X-Staff]

QUOTE(flashfreak @ Aug 9 2006, 12:08 PM)

I still think its another mod that was unncessary

I appreciate what you are saying but what you need to understand is that this puts a very simple mod back in the hands of the scene rather than the same regurgitated bullshit being sold over and over again for $60+

We just want to show how simple on the fly patching really is and how cheap it is - its only 30 odd lines of code and it can be expanded to whatever the hobbiests like - without relying on expensive low-quality and low-spec chips

At the end of the day we've done most of the hard work - wrote the code, tested it and will release it all for free - only a moron would bitch at us for doing this (or people who sell mods for heavy profits - and before someone shits on Xecuter for making heavy profits - no we dont thats the RESELLERS not us - our margins are very low). But we're damned if we do and damned if we don't  

QUOTE(Arch0n @ Aug 9 2006, 11:19 AM)

I gotta disagree here. The aladdin CPLD code and protel files for the PCB were made public a long time ago - cuz you're a new member I'll let it slide    BTW the PIC will be easier tho and haters might learn a useful skill by tinkering w/ this bit of kit

Actually all that was released was a .jed to program a cpld - what fat lot of good is that lol This is just compiled source - useless (and it was also only a simple cpld to act as an LPC host, nothing new and has been around way before Alladin (we actually made the first one with Xecuter v1 - jees LONG ago heh)

This project differs in that we are providing a step by step process in how on the fly patching actually works and how you can improve it - I can promise you coding for a PIC is a damn sight easier than coding VHDL too. Real source code to a REAL modchip. We've already done some improvements ourselves today and will release just as much as the community may release themselves.

Oh and to the idiot who posted earlier suggesting we are just going to take code from the scene and sell a mod as we cant do this ourselves? are you nuts - we're Xecuter - we do this shit in our sleep  

The "official" mod we are making is nothing to do with the homebrew project - its pretty much done, we just have a lot of code cleanup to do and more USB testing. Yes - USB - all our products are now designed with some USB function in mind.

QUOTE(A Murder of Crows @ Aug 9 2006, 04:04 AM)

Team Xecuter seems to have completely abandoned the X3 chip line....no new bios in, what, 7+ months??
sad.

you dont have enough features on your current X3 ? Whats sad is people will find something to complain about no matter what you do for them - its human nature, but seen a lot more on internet discussion forums as those are usually* the people who lack social skills    

We dont code for Xbox1 any more - its not required and takes hundreds of hours of time away from projects people are interested in right now.

You have more than enough to be playing with. Besides I lost my own personal sources about a year ago or id have released the kernel by now for ppl to tinker with - a pain in the ass as I lost all my v1.6 Xcalibur code which took weeks to do from scratch and it was actually needed for a 360 project a couple of weeks ago - shit happens  

* I said usually not always

[DJTucan]

QUOTE(DJTucan @ Aug 9 2006, 12:23 AM)

Does the USB adapter allow you the recover a bad flash on a Hitachi drive without needing to taking the drive apart?

If it does, it's well worth the money, other wise its crap.  

Xecuter still has not answered my question!!! I want to know if this is possible??

[Textbook]

The only problem I had with this is the play on words like 82_Z28 said.  Xecuter, you're not stupid, we all know that.  It is obvious you could have (and should have) chosen a better word choice instead of Homebrew.  I think we all can agree that you were trying to cause just a little confusion.  I guess that's fine, a little headline marketing isn't too bad as long as everything is explained in the information (which it was).  The scene is waiting for Homebrew ... and seeing those words next to Mod Chip / Xecuter on the news you think "Xecuter made a homebrew modchip finally."

And another poor word choice:

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Real source code to a REAL modchip.

I think you're using the word "Real" a little too freely.  Just like NME-360 claimed their chip was a "Real" modchip.  Ha!  Anybody who has been in the scene long enough knows what a real modchip is and this most certainly is not it.

Ok, word choices aside, I'd like to say thanks for this project.  I'll admit I haven't been the hugest fan of Xecuter products or decisions before, but I am really cheering for them with this project.  Bringing open source to a modchip is an amazing idea and one would hope that when the real modchips do appear, this might be applied there as well.  Sure, there are tons of DVD drive modchips out already, but this is more like research than it is a product.  I really don't know the real reasons behind this, but I can say that because of this project, I look at Xecuter in a different way.

Like everybody else ... still waiting for the big news.  Any updates would be nice, those Ava screenshots are so old now - and we never got any more information.

[DCFluX]

QUOTE(X-Staff @ Aug 9 2006, 03:13 AM)

But the question is why do you hate? You have no legitimate reason. You only prove yourself to be a hater and anti-scene - as per usual.

I'm Pro-scene, anti-xecuter. I don't know why you came over here to defend your selfs (Or even if you legitimately represent Team-Xecuter), you usually make it a point to reply to a forum post from Xbox-scene on your own private warzone so your team can moderate it more easily to weed out the numerous 'haters' that attempt to tell it straight or give criticism.

Try doing something based on Atmel AVR Chips. I've seen your groups work with PICs and the product I have using the PIC sucks.

I'd like to see your team try to release something that isn't another DVD firmware hack or hard drive connectivity kit. Then Xecuter may get on my good side and I will buy the chip as soon as one is avalible from my favorite store and a 360 and mod it up.

[Large Dopant white]

Ok, so Xecuter is giving us a free homebrew DVD modchip. Rad. Guess that should be normal considering they've been standing on the sholders of the real hombrew devvers for about 4 years now whilst shamelessly taking credit and profit. (remember the LBA48 mod? The "completely original" hack that Xecuter "discovered" shortly after it was discovered by a homebrewer? Yeah....)
Seriously, ya'll, Xecuter has designed some good modchips but that's it. Since when have they become the messiahs of the scene? Since Xbins said they are?

[-Gadget-]

dear me what has this thead turned into
i dont understand why people who dont like stuff speak up, and the people who do like and do appreciated this for how big of a step it is, never do !.
its definiatly a problem in this world of ours ..
and a problem that will cetainly harm the scene as a whole .. because they start bitching becuase they dont fully understand stuff ! .. good example is the whole bitching on the title !! if you understood it and can read then its clear what there saying, and even if ya dont the text that follows more than explains !

so from me its a BIG up to what there doing ! .. and for all of it to be on a PIC chip will be GREAT for the hobbist, at which this is aimed at !
what PIC chip will it be on ? the 16f range , or /jk the classic 509 /jk hehe
just wundering, due to compatiblities for my exsisting programmer

and the comments on Xbox1 bios's, i do agree i think EVERYTHING is covered in options and support...
one thing i spose that 'could' be done to complete the xbox1 range of bios's would be an Injection system for the x2 type (like we saw in the Ind-Bios, which sadly never did really reach its full potentiol, and all in 256k !!! (which they too lost there sources, which is why they never completed it)

again from me and all true hobbist since the first classic xecuter1 days a BIG thankyou
for giving the modchip back to us to play with and not stuck in the retail world

thanks Mick ....

[X-Staff]

QUOTE(DCFluX @ Aug 9 2006, 04:02 PM)

I'm Pro-scene, anti-xecuter. I don't know why you came over here to defend your selfs (Or even if you legitimately represent Team-Xecuter), you usually make it a point to reply to a forum post from Xbox-scene on your own private warzone so your team can moderate it more easily to weed out the numerous 'haters' that attempt to tell it straight or give criticism.

Try doing something based on Atmel AVR Chips. I've seen your groups work with PICs and the product I have using the PIC sucks.

I'd like to see your team try to release something that isn't another DVD firmware hack or hard drive connectivity kit. Then Xecuter may get on my good side and I will buy the chip as soon as one is avalible from my favorite store and a 360 and mod it up.

we have never used pics before in our high end products so PLEASE tell me what you are talking about ? This particular project has been coded with PIC in mind as its EASY for hobbiests to play with. Its 30 lines of code ffs. WHats the point of releasing advanced VHDL logic when this is supposed to be a public hobby project ?

you have a long history of bitching about us for not legitimate reason so your post and its content is not surprising at all.

QUOTE(townend81 @ Aug 9 2006, 05:58 PM)

I agree. Why are people trying to drag this down? Any development that improves anything at all has got to be a step forward.

9 times out of 10 its morons who have never done anything for the xbox scene and just like to piss on anyone as it makes them feel good. You get these types everywhere  

QUOTE(Large Dopant white @ Aug 9 2006, 05:32 PM)

Ok, so Xecuter is giving us a free homebrew DVD modchip. Rad. Guess that should be normal considering they've been standing on the sholders of the real hombrew devvers for about 4 years now whilst shamelessly taking credit and profit. (remember the LBA48 mod? The "completely original" hack that Xecuter "discovered" shortly after it was discovered by a homebrewer? Yeah....)
Seriously, ya'll, Xecuter has designed some good modchips but that's it. Since when have they become the messiahs of the scene? Since Xbins said they are?

you sir are a complete tool

Ill not even go into detail on all the firsts we acheived - how you can say we released on the back of others makes you sound so fucking stupid to the general population who know the history of the scene - but I will bitch slap you with one that you mentioned

if you can find ANYWHERE where we say we discovered the lba48 hack then ill kiss your ass. In the meantime you can also download all our nfo's where we give credits for other peoples work we used - with permission - and one in particular is oz_paulb's lba48 hack. What a moron.

EDIT: here i dug out the old press rls and text from the nfo

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We have also implemented the LBA48 concept originally discovered by
OzPaul. Coded in C we used the same principals to get LBA48 working
efficiently without using any of his GPL code (We should add the
sources given to us a couple of months ago were beta and not with ANY
GPL notice and used with OzPaulb's permission). For those that are
interested we didn't use OzPaulb's partitioning system (read partition
from hdd block 0) or the highcode/lowcode system. This hack is now
embedded into our X2 source so you can use two versions of our bios.
One for LBA48 6 and one for LBA 48 6+7 (LBA48 6 is one large F
partition - recommened for new HD installs, and LBA48 6+7 is for
those who want to extend your current F drive to its larger size
without losing any data). For those who dont know you were
previousley limited to a 137GB drive - now you can have up to 2 TB
(2199023255040 bytes) or 2000 Gb for the *ahem* uninformed.

The hack is still entirley credited to OzPaulb.

Posted on an external site a LONG time ago - http://www.maxconsol...ews&newsid=1300

Bring on more lies and ill shoot you down in flames with those too  

QUOTE(-Gadget- @ Aug 9 2006, 05:39 PM)

dear me what has this thead turned into
i dont understand why people who dont like stuff speak up, and the people who do like and do appreciated this for how big of a step it is, never do !.
its definiatly a problem in this world of ours ..
and a problem that will cetainly harm the scene as a whole .. because they start bitching becuase they dont fully understand stuff ! .. good example is the whole bitching on the title !! if you understood it and can read then its clear what there saying, and even if ya dont the text that follows more than explains !

so from me its a BIG up to what there doing ! .. and for all of it to be on a PIC chip will be GREAT for the hobbist, at which this is aimed at !
what PIC chip will it be on ? the 16f range , or /jk the classic 509 /jk hehe
just wundering, due to compatiblities for my exsisting programmer

and the comments on Xbox1 bios's, i do agree i think EVERYTHING is covered in options and support...
one thing i spose that 'could' be done to complete the xbox1 range of bios's would be an Injection system for the x2 type (like we saw in the Ind-Bios, which sadly never did really reach its full potentiol, and all in 256k !!! (which they too lost there sources, which is why they never completed it)

again from me and all true hobbist since the first classic xecuter1 days a BIG thankyou
for giving the modchip back to us to play with and not stuck in the retail world

thanks Mick ....

someone with a brain - great !

OK we decided on using Ubicom SX series of chips. It will work on any chip from SX18 upwards. Decision to do this was 3 fold

1. There are a lot of ppl out there who can understand the language. many of the PS2 homebrew projects were done using this IC.

2. Its one of the fastest pics - does a lot of jobs that a cpld would do (not as good granted - but easier for hobbiests to work with)

3. There are a shat load of docs on this chip and language. Plus there are loads of homebrew programmers available - the best being "Fluffy2"

Oh and regarding an "injection type" X2 bios - the last few X2 bios's had X2 Config Live included where you could choose as many different options as you liked. Released for free of course. again.

Hope this answers your questions

[X-Staff]

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* Thanks to OzPaulb
** Thanks to Superfr0
*** Thanks to Santmat
**** Thanks to Smo

[DCFluX]

QUOTE(X-Staff @ Aug 9 2006, 10:44 AM)

we have never used pics before in our high end products so PLEASE tell me what you are talking about ? This particular project has been coded with PIC in mind as its EASY for hobbiests to play with. Its 30 lines of code ffs. WHats the point of releasing advanced VHDL logic when this is supposed to be a public hobby project ?

The X3IR uses a PIC.

QUOTE(X-Staff @ Aug 9 2006, 10:44 AM)

you have a long history of bitching about us for not legitimate reason so your post and its content is not surprising at all.

Neither is your reply. But since we have had this argument several times in the past with the last one resulting in the banning of my range of IPs from the Team-Xecuter website, I will not waste any more bandwidth arguing the issue.

[DCFluX]

Atmel AVR ATMEGA or ATTiny Series, Or The Atmel 89C51 Series. Programming is as simple as connecting 5 wires to a LPT port.

[Textbook]

QUOTE(X-Staff @ Aug 9 2006, 09:50 AM)

And of course I can call it a real modchip. It does a similar job to many many other modchips that have come along before this. Ive designed more mods than most people - I have had my hand in every console every produced since PSX - I think this gives me a little cart blanche in what I would call a modchip. The difference between us is that you use them (or not) and i actually make them.

This thread is such bullshit tit for tat. Ill keep further discussions on my own tech forums and i'll help people who need help and advice.

My friend, please read the following statement by HSD taken from his blog dated March 21.

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It’s become quite apparent that the 360 pirate scene is on a precipice.  With the firmware Hack videos making the rounds, and the ever constant bombardment of authenticating stories and comments on Xbox-Scene, Xbox-Hacker and Team Xecuter sites the pirate kiddies of the world are being driven into a fever pitch.

 

While it is now possible (assuming you got the “leaked files”) to have some fun with some pirate copies of games (1:1) it’s still not elegant, or sexy. Granted, pirates, usually the lowest common denominator in this or any scene won’t care. They are more than willing to wreck havoc on the esthetics of their consoles in order to save some coin in the end.

 

Personally, for at least myself, priorities have definitely changed. Piracy is by no means an important priority. More so, I tend to even avoid it now. I never did play or try out all the goodies once acquired. Recently, I cleansed the ilk from my home. So much wasted time with games never played, movies and music never watched or listened to, etc.

 

While I’ll cheer the successes of this event, I myself, must sit back, and eagerly await the hopeful future of homebrew or some useful OS being installed and use on these bastard machines.

 

For me.. the box isn’t modded until we can enjoy XBMC or a reasonable facsimile on the 360. Until that goal is achieved, all others, are pretenders.

 

That’s my opinion.. it may not be yours.. but it should be.

To this day, there has not been a REAL modchip released.  By REAL modchip, I mean a chip that will do for the Xbox 360 what it did for the Xbox.  The REAL modchips will allow homebrew code.  Work on that some more, and post news of that.  Like I said, I think this project is great, but if it takes away from any homebrew development, scrap it.  The reasons for doing this project are "we were sceners and hobbyists first."  Well, all the sceners and hobbyists are sick of the DVD firmwares.  It is all we see on the front pages.  Day after day, we get new firmwares that either help people or brick their drives.  Or, we get stupid "piracychips."  The DVD drive firmware hacks were great, it showed everyone that MS doesn't have the security it claimed.  Ok, congrats on the hack.  Hell, thanks for releasing it.  Now, can we let it die?  The firmware hacks have not helped the real scene.  Sure, it's helped the pirate scene loads.  Ask Chancer how many threads he has to delete every single day in the Tech DVD forums because of blatant piracy.  I think it's cool that you're helping others make a "piracychip."  If you find a way to run homebrew on the Xbox 360, then you can call it a REAL modchip.

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all others, are pretenders.