Topic: Cd Vs Dvd Vs Hd-dvd Vs Blu-ray (Read 310 times)

twistedsymphony · « **Reply #30 on:** October 07, 2005, 02:33:00 PM »

As if there were enough types of new media coming out:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9618578/

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China to develop its own DVD format
Announced next-generation standard based on HD DVD
Updated: 8:41 a.m. ET Oct. 7, 2005

SHANGHAI, China - For the second time in two years, China has announced plans to develop its own next-generation DVD standard to break the monopoly of foreign companies and avoid paying heavy licensing fees.

If successful, the move could add a new wrinkle to the battle between HD DVD and the competing Blu-ray Disc formats over which will become the dominant new DVD standard.

The official Xinhua News Agency said the new standard will be based on but incompatible with HD DVD, which is being promoted by Toshiba Corp. and Universal Studios, as well as Intel Corp. and MS Corp., the leading suppliers of chips and software for most of the world's personal computers.

The Chinese standard, not expected to reach markets until at least 2008, would provide higher definition, better sound and better anti-piracy measures, Xinhua quoted Lu Da, deputy director of the government-affiliated National Disc Engineering Center, as saying earlier this week.

"With such format and related standards," Lu said, "We could have our own voice in the DVD industry."

The announcement marks China's latest attempt to leverage its manufacturing muscle to play by its own terms in the home video market. Up to 80 percent of DVD players are made in China, but makers have to cough up around 40 percent of the cost of each player to license holders, according to Chinese reports.

China began developing its own DVD standard in 1999, rolling out EVD, or enhanced versatile disc, in November 2003 with a vow to shake off dependence on foreign standards. Despite strong government backing, the initiative fizzled amid a legal battle between the technology's developer and a consortium of Chinese player manufacturers. Protoype EVD players were introduced in 2004 but never established a presence in the market.

Xinhua didn't give a name for the new HD DVD-based standard, and it wasn't clear whether it had borrowed technology from the EVD standard. No directory listing could be obtained for the National Disc Engineering Center on Friday, which was a holiday in China.

HD DVD's backers say they have made inroads with Chinese manufacturers, whose support is vital to quickly deploying the technology at a low price.

Blu-ray is backed by Sony Corp., Apple Computer Inc., Hewlett-Packard Co. and Dell Inc., along with a variety of other tech companies and studios.

Bogus8 · « **Reply #31 on:** October 07, 2005, 02:51:00 PM »

"Remember, any government big enough to give you everything you need is big enough to take away everything you have"

guess this is true with countries/manfactures that you exploit in china too... I think it would be awesome if big corporations dependancy on china came back to bite them on the ass!!

BTW, I read an industry mag (Broadcast Engineering) that said the switch to HD broadcast has been moved from jan 1 2006 to jan 1 2009 and that there is talk of a free set top box to "ease" transition and/or a $250 credit towards the purchase of a new tv... glad that fcc is really looking out for the people

now not only will they pocket millions in selling that spectrum we have to pay for the conversion, not just upfront but with tax dollars. Guess that's how the rich get richer and we keep sliding closer towards poverty everyday.

Owtlaw333 · « **Reply #32 on:** October 07, 2005, 10:20:00 PM »

QUOTE(Bogus8 @ Oct 7 2005, 01:02 PM)

BTW, I read an industry mag (Broadcast Engineering) that said the switch to HD broadcast has been moved from jan 1 2006 to jan 1 2009 and that there is talk of a free set top box to "ease" transition and/or a $250 credit towards the purchase of a new tv... glad that fcc is really looking out for the people

now not only will they pocket millions in selling that spectrum we have to pay for the conversion, not just upfront but with tax dollars. Guess that's how the rich get richer and we keep sliding closer towards poverty everyday.

Bogus8 · « **Reply #33 on:** October 07, 2005, 10:41:00 PM »

Distant?? No, tell that to the millions that live near or below the poverty line and are using a hand me down tv to watch tv in between their 3 jobs.... FCC should be spending more time regulating clearchannel and sinclair and such... not forcing the ones they are supposed to be "protecting" to switch to something they don't need.

When they wanted to get rid of 3 wheel ATV's they passed a law saying you couldn't manufacture them anymore they didn't say everyone has to turn theirs in because they are unsafe. This is the equivilent, no they aren't asking you to turn in your tv but why make it useless... are they gonna give me 250 for every tv I have or a box for each tv I have.. I have about 10 sitting around in the attic and such (my father used to sell tv's and I collected old ones for various projects). I don't think it's in MY interest to render these devices useless .. granted they pretty much are useless... well I say that but I pulled one out the other day and used it 1986 Citek with 12 manually tuned channels (had a remote back in the day with a button for each channel too) I get a better signal on that tv then the new 20" apex I bought after I got tired of the channels drifting on that one... but the signal comes in worse now with a $75 fancy pants amplified antenna vs the 87' tv with the rabbit ears and uhf loop

Owtlaw333 · « **Reply #34 on:** October 07, 2005, 10:57:00 PM »

It's one thing to regulate, it's another to practically harass. They're not regulationg, they're dictating, and it's rediculous.

And if they were gunna just give away conversion boxes (or even at $50 to $100), then I see no problem with switching to a new format. Now, if they were going to charge an arm and a leg just so someone with an old TV can watch television, THEN there would be a problem. But just because broadcasting goes HD doesn't mean everyone has to go out and spend $1000+ on a new TV. It's not affecting much. If the FCC dedicated an entire year (or even two) to having conversion boxes available to the public to pic up, I see no problem with switching completely the next year. So if they started March of 2006, and ended the campaign in November of 2007 (but still continued to serve out units) then by January of 2008 they could switch over. Sounds good to me, lol.

Bogus8 · « **Reply #35 on:** October 07, 2005, 11:21:00 PM »

And how many??? like I said I have like 10+ tv's... It seems unlikely that they will want to give more than 1 per household so they are dictating and being unreasonable. Plus do you have to show reciepts for your tv's? I don't have the reciept for that 20" I bought one year ago much less my 36" from 5 years ago or the other 8+ tv's I got lingering from the 70's-80's.

But I can buy a used 3 wheel ATV and get FULL of use out of it.

I think they should have passed a law so that they couldn't make anymore regular tv's when they decided to make this switch... instead they are STILL making and selling VERY expensive NON hd tv's... my neighbor just bought a 36" BEAST Wega that isn't HD but cost him 1k now he MAY get a free box (doubt he has reciept) or have to pay even more for a converter box... it's just rediculous and serves NO point! Eventually it would become not profitable to maintain standard broadcast from the stations stand point and they would have naturally dropped it IF they would have stopped making non hd tv's.

LightningStruckMyXbox · « **Reply #36 on:** October 07, 2005, 11:30:00 PM »

The only thing that worries me in this new "HD" era is what will happen to the price of our average movies? A VHS is made up of 5x more plastic than DVD but DVD cost 2 or 3 times as much. This is because they are not selling the material, they are selling the technology. I think that this new format of disks is going to drive up the cost of our movies by at least 4 or 5 dollars. Doesn't sound like much you say? Well that dvd you just bought for 25 bucks, no way it's gonna be 30 or more now. HD-DVD and Blue-Ray are great but at what cost to the consumer?

On the other hand, a plus to this price jump will be lower DVD price. I give it a year or so before VHS is removed from the shelves and DVD is the new, old technology (that will cost half as much).

I also expect game prices to rise (for games printed on HD-DVD or Blue-Ray disks) about 10-15 dollars extra. And the thing is, all of this is about this so called "High Resolution" or "High-Definition" format. My TV doesn't even support more than 1024x678. Do we need to go out and buy a TV that supports this super high resolution? Do they even make them yet?

This new DVD format is just too soon for our current technology. It's beyond our time. That doesn't necessarily mean that we don't need it but a dvd player will cost you around 30-40 bucks. It will play on any TV and you benefit from all of it's features. An HD-DVD player will cost you a pretty penny (more than a new xbox) and will play on (hopefully) every TV. BUT, you will only benefit from some of it's more professed features if you are the proud owner of a $6,000 TV. And as it stands the average home owner can't afford this.

HD-DVD and Blue-Ray will become more practical when the other items needed to unleash it's full potential become cheaper, and more available.

I DO understand that this higher capacity disk will be needed in corporate applications and some consumer but the average joe will probably not benefit from this for a couple years.

Bogus8 · « **Reply #37 on:** October 08, 2005, 01:00:00 AM »

agreed to a point

Most of the cost of "new technology" is in the R&D of that process... samething with cpu's soon as it's out its rediculous then eventually it's dirt cheap and yet they are still making a profit. Cost of manf. isn't just materials.. hd and br will be expensive because of retooling (more so with br) and that will translate.. eventually it will come down... dvd has dropped drammatically and VHS WOW! at I remember movies being 70 bucks on vhs.

I also just saw a quick fact poll in that trade mag that said that only 13% of americans own an HD tv... not sure who they polled to know if it's mostly rich white men on some tech savy website or was it coming out of your average grocery store? that does skew your results.. but even if it is accurate 13% (not all their tv's are hd they just own AN hd tv) so there is another 87% of the 300 million people in the us that don't have even ONE hd tv... then add to that that most houses usually have more than one tv in the house. That's a LOT of people left out in the "dark" sure doesn't seem like something that "the people" are demanding and if it's not driven by the people who's interest is it being driven by?

twistedsymphony · « **Reply #38 on:** October 08, 2005, 06:20:00 AM »

If the FCC want's to push out the date to 2009 FINE, but in doing so now they have to do the transition right

First, if the FCC was serious they'd require manufacturers to stop selling non-HDTVs plain and simple.
Consumer Joe walks into best buy, tells the clerk: "I just want a new TV, I can't afford one of those new fangled HDTVs".
Clerk: "we don't sell any non-HDTVs"
Joe: "What! Why?"
Clerk: "the FCC is requiring all broadcasts to be in HD by 2009, so they stopped making TVs that arn't HDTVs. We have some HDTV CRTs over here that are about the same price as the old sets."
Joe: "Wow really, I thought only those expensive plasma TVs where HDTVs."

Which brings me to my next point... rather than spending stupid amounts of money paying for boxes that DOWNGRADE your signal to work with your POS set. or wasting tax money giving everyone with a TV $250 to buy a new HDTV (yeah right, like most people will spend it on a TV). Why don't they spend just a fraction of that money EDUCATING PEOPLE!

Honestly even the people I know with HDTVs have no clue what they bought, I could spend all day in the AV forum here explaining the differences in resolutions and what-not and these are tech savvy people. The only people educated on the subject are those who have spent a great deal of personal time to educate themselves. It's not rocket science, if people were actually aware that they could buy CRT HDTVs for only a little more than non-HDTV CRTs, or that the broadcast standards were changing on X date in the future and the differences between analog, digital, and HD. I think a lot more people would make the right choices.

Instead Joe wakes up one day and the non-HDTV he bought last week doesn't work, he buys a paper and reads that the standards changed yesterday and he needs to go wait in line for a converter box.

Another part of the problem is that the Cable providers are slowly converting their channels from analog over to Digital... GREAT! ...BUT they still charge about $20-$40 more for the digital service over analog. If anything the FCC should be forcing them to create a digital price point equivalent to their analog service, that would dramatically increase the number of digital users and help the transition move faster.

As it is people are just complaining that their channels are disappearing and they're being forced to pay SUBSTANTIALLY more if they want them back.

I think almost anyone would pay an extra $5 to get the same service but in digital instead of analog, but most who would be fine with Analog probably wouldn't be happy paying an extra $20 or even $40 for it.
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Bogus8 · « **Reply #39 on:** October 08, 2005, 02:17:00 PM »

Amen my brother!!

I know he's resigned now but Micheal Powell was once quoted as saying "I really don't know what the people want" that kind of statement puts the FCC in perspective and explains why they keep letting big corporations do things that ONLY benefit them.

Just look up pirate radio stations or Low Power FM in a search engine and you will see lots of horrible things the FCC has done to put more money in the hands that "buy" them off and lots less interest in what the people need/want.

Owtlaw333 · « **Reply #40 on:** October 08, 2005, 09:22:00 PM »

QUOTE(Bogus8 @ Oct 7 2005, 09:32 PM)

And how many??? like I said I have like 10+ tv's... It seems unlikely that they will want to give more than 1 per household so they are dictating and being unreasonable. Plus do you have to show reciepts for your tv's? I don't have the reciept for that 20" I bought one year ago much less my 36" from 5 years ago or the other 8+ tv's I got lingering from the 70's-80's.

Bogus8 · « **Reply #41 on:** October 08, 2005, 09:43:00 PM »

QUOTE(Owtlaw333 @ Oct 8 2005, 10:33 PM)

I'm thinking it won't be this complicated (or shouldn't be, at least). What they should do is have the cable companies hand them out. Maybe for every cable box you have in your house they'll give you a converter (or maybe they'll give you new boxes all together). For those that don't have cable boxes, they can find some other means... (I'm a lil tired from work and sleep deprivation at the moment so it's hard to think of some clever way to do it, haha) But I HIGHLY doubt they'd give you one for every TV you own. That's just rediculous and stupid.

Owtlaw333 · « **Reply #42 on:** October 09, 2005, 11:01:00 PM »

QUOTE(Bogus8 @ Oct 8 2005, 07:54 PM)

No, what's stupid is FORCING this upgrade when there is no logical or logistical reason to. The FCC's job is to protect the people... how does this follow that? It is ONLY serving the corporations that line their pockets via lobbyist.

Bogus8 · « **Reply #43 on:** October 10, 2005, 03:40:00 AM »

Snake_Eye · « **Reply #44 on:** October 10, 2005, 06:44:00 AM »

i think games will need more storage NG was like 6gb altho that had alot of high qulity CG and i remeber the makers of saint row saying the DVD couldn't stream fast enough so they could put in plains

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