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[twistedsymphony]

I'm sorry but you are completely wrong on all accounts...

[Bogus8]

[Owtlaw333]

QUOTE(Bogus8 @ Oct 5 2005, 01:09 PM)

I disagree with the concept of vhs to dvd is less of an upgrade then dvd9 to hd-dvd or blueray... I mean do you really think hd or BR is gonna sell as fast as dvd's did?

[Bogus8]

But I don't think they will resample a dvd I think they will re-encode from the original film.

It's also harder to justify the upgrade from dvd to hd-dvd (not just cause of the tv) but also because "we have a great picture now and a great collection and it will last "forever"" vs from vhs where you had no more rewinding and menus and can skip around and they stay "like new"

[mgamer20o0]

QUOTE(Bogus8 @ Oct 5 2005, 11:09 PM)

But I disagree with the concept of vhs to dvd is less of an upgrade then dvd9 to hd-dvd or blueray...

[Bogus8]

still going from tape that wears out and is magnetic to an optical digital system is a pretty massive technological leap.  Yes digital is NOT HD but it SMOKES vhs by a LONG shot.

[Owtlaw333]

QUOTE(Bogus8 @ Oct 5 2005, 02:19 PM)

But I don't think they will resample a dvd I think they will re-encode from the original film.

[twistedsymphony]

I was speaking purely about the quality of the source media in it's final commercial format.

My place of work, and the gym I go to people generally ask me technical questions about home theater stuff...

Quite frequently I get asked "which HDTV should I buy?" my first question is always "why do you want an HDTV?" to which 99% of the time I get "so I can watch my DVD in HD."

At that point it turns into a discussion about how DVDs are not HD and that there are no HD DVD formats out yet.

To the average Joe ignorant consumer there is little to no difference between DVDs today and the next gen DVD formats... most think that their DVDs right now are HD. Most are completely capable of seeing the difference between ED and HD video. (Heck ask any HDTV owner which channels look better) But unless they experience it first hand, and side by side with current formats they're going to keep on thinking that DVDs today are just dandy, even for their HD sets.

Toshiba and Sony should be educating people about the differences in all the new technologies rather than fighting for technical supporters... who cares how many companies they have behind them if they both have absolutely ZERO mind-share with the consumers.

DVD took years to reach the point it's at today, and the difference was easy to see, especially because it was a similar change from cassettes to CDs, people understood the differences between analog tapes and digital discs....

But I don't think the next gen formats are going to take off anytime soon. MS has nothing to worry about because I don't think there will be much market penetration before the NEXT next gen consoles anyway.

I expect the next gen DVD formats to take off only slightly better than the SACD and DVD-A formats, if only because there are more movie buffs than Audiophiles and Sony will be virtually distributing Blu-Ray players with their PS3s.

[Bogus8]

[Owtlaw333]

QUOTE(Bogus8 @ Oct 5 2005, 08:07 PM)

Outlaw333:  But you say movies aren't HD... there is no such thing as HD 35mm film... I *think* 35mm film is better than HD digital format... only a few hollywood peeps are shooting in HD (Rodriguez being one big name) and he's very anti film pro digital (which is great for us poor film makers that can't afford even 16mm).  I think if they dumped the 35mm to HD it would be just as good as anything recorded in native HD (maybe better) this is pretty much speculation as I have know actual knowledge of these claims... but it's what I have gathered from the few things I have read.

[Bogus8]

 for SURE Sin City was.. you are correct about DOF and such with digital but HD chips are larger and that is the main problem with DOF is that 1/3"  CCD chips just aren't big enough.. vs 35mm! HD is taking it to 2/3" still not close to 35mm but it's much better and if you have big budget lighting you can still get great DOF.  And grain is in the same catagory bigger chips = more light hitting them as I'm sure you know since you seem to have a pretty good grasp on the technology.

A side not there is a new "gadget" called Micro35 that allows you to slap on a 35mm lens and it projects on to a "ground glass" and then your dv cam caputers that image... with this device you can get DOF equal to 35mm since that's what your really capturing.  It's really impressive and fairly cheap... we have on on the list... just trying to squeeze it into the budget

[luther349]

well i have been studing the new formats for some time now. yes some people said dvd wouldent beat vhs lol of course i laughed at them couse i knew it was far better. but now im onthe side of dvd whont get beat by hd-dvd blue ray for many reasions and not all in the specs. yes its more storage but whont be the needs of most people 8.5 gb is fine hell 4.6 is fine. in fact many people still havent even gone form cdr to dvdr. i would say 80% of the activ pcs out there still only have cdr drives. and noone i knoe even has a hd-tv some people simply dont like the format o joke my frends all think hd looks streched out. of course the pure lack of pure hd content is the blame there or simply the last 30 years of cart has just become common.

vhs to dvd was a huge step foward tech and qualty wise. but look how old vhs was befor it was finnly killed. and dont say other formats didnt try to replace it befor dvd there where a few and people just stuck to what they liked. like i said dvd simply blew them away. hd-dvd will not have the same effect its not a big step foward well maybe in the tech wise but for the other things the diffrence will not be enough to make people jump out and get it

what im saying is yes new tech is great   but vhs was 20 years old befor people finnly let it go. its to soon for a new format and for those that do buy it they will quickly catch on its also to restrictiv.  simply couse we havent smashed down a few rights killing laws yet and the companys havent figured out drm will not work. ok maybe it did for apple but only couse it lets you copy unlike the rest of the scams.

[joerehall]

QUOTE(luther349 @ Oct 5 2005, 04:12 AM)

2 sided disk tend to be more of a hasel then anything.  simple scraching wyther side = death of cd. single sided are a bit more protected.

[Owtlaw333]

QUOTE(luther349 @ Oct 6 2005, 12:42 AM)

...but now im onthe side of dvd whont get beat by hd-dvd blue ray for many reasions and not all in the specs. yes its more storage but whont be the needs of most people 8.5 gb is fine hell 4.6 is fine. in fact many people still havent even gone form cdr to dvdr. i would say 80% of the activ pcs out there still only have cdr drives. and noone i knoe even has a hd-tv some people simply dont like the format o joke my frends all think hd looks streched out. of course the pure lack of pure hd content is the blame there or simply the last 30 years of cart has just become common.

[Bogus8]

I think (and hope) he was making a joke and fun of his friends that think that.. that's how I took it.  But honestly everyone I know that has a 16:9 tv runs it that way.  They usually have no HD channels but run their tv that way.. it's SO annoying... guess they want "their money's worth" cause you sure can't convince them that it's fucked up.... either that or it makes them feel better about themselves.. look at how fat Kate Moss is on that tv!  (ok she would only look normal )