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QUOTE(LowProfileWurm @ Sep 7 2005, 01:46 PM)

And obviously you've swallowed more Sony PR bullshit than I've swallowed MS's because you're CONVINCED that 360 will be "CRUSHED" by PS3.  360 has much more to offer than just specs...  Too bad 360 will lose because it can't grill, right? 

[deftonesmx17]

QUOTE(Bogus8 @ Sep 7 2005, 02:59 PM)

DUDE, do you read!?!?! he said it WOULD have been crushed IF it would have gone with 256mb of ram.... you almost basically said the same 

I was about to say the same thing

QUOTE(LowProfileWurm @ Sep 7 2005, 02:46 PM)

Scooby Dooby (I'll assume that's something related to your "kewl" obsession with marijuana  ),

That was real mature  

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The 360 could use 400Mb of RAM for GFX work and leave 112Mb leftover for other things. How does that put it on par? The PS3 gets 256Mb of VRAM, that's all.

Because the xbox 360 game would have almost zero playability if they did that. Why, because the PS3 would still have 256MB for AI, etc.

There is a reason why on a PC that setting your AGP Apature size above a certain percent of your system RAM kills your playability.

[Foe-hammer]

[LightningStruckMyXbox]

I figured out how to tell which games use cache. (i think)

I put a 745mb dummy file on my x,y, and z drives and my game loadtime IMEDIATELY deminished. Games like Halo, Halo 2, Doom 3, and GR2:PA wouldn't load. BUT the cross-platform games DID show a slow-down in load times showing that cross-platform games do cache (no matter how small it is)

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QUOTE(mightyduc @ Sep 7 2005, 05:11 PM)

4:1 is 80%.  75% is 3:1.  Out of 100% for every 4 premiums there is 1 core.  4/5(100%)=80%

[nj12nets]

ok, i hope that if your tying to test the cache thing make sure your playing it off of a disc and not the hdd, i think that effects how much cache is used since your already spininng off the hdd.  

also i was pretty sure most hard drives have 3 platters not 2

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[LowProfileWurm]

Second, I fully agree with you all that the HDD standard would have been better.  Furthermore, I agree with Foe-Hammer (who ironically agrees with my opponents in debate so I don't know where that leaves us   ) because I really would have liked to see a $360 system at launch.  People who want the "Core" $299 version can wait a month.  That would have had the HDD, wireless, HD cables, etc. but no remote.  THAT would have been ideal.  But that's not the case.  The reason I'm defending MS here is not because I'm a fanboy (deftones knows I like to argue for the hell of it ), but because I hate it when people "doom and gloom" everything based on 1 aspect they don't like.  Ok, we don't get a HDD, great... So what? As far as I know, Xbox1 is the ONLY system outside of a PC that had a harddrive.  As far as I'm concerned, we need to ditch disc-media all together and go with some kind of holographic media (while we're dreaming,   ).  Load times need to go away permanently, but for now, I'll deal with a couple of seconds, HDD or not.

Next, I'm glad we sorted out the percentage thing... nice to know my math skills are still polished.  

As for caching, I have spoken directly to a couple developers about this and I can assure you that at least 4 top selling cross-platform franchises on the Xbox don't use HDD caching.  Whether this rings true for other devs, I don't know.  But I'm just going on what I've talked to professionals about.  Sure, exclusives may use caching to some extent or another, but it's not the defining characteristic of a "great" game.

Anyway, work wore me out today so I'm going to sack out now.

PS. Deftones, while we're all being immature, maybe I should put a disclaimer in my signature...  

 

[Deftech]

[Bogus8]

I for one was not doom'ing and gloom'ing about this... I just like to keep facts on the up and up... and facts are HD would make it faster and I beleive more games us cache'ing than 20% (but that's speculation on my part based on little experience (EVERYONE READ THAT RIGHT?!))  I do believe the 360 will be a bad ass mofo, but I agree having the HD standard would be ideal and wouldn't have been THAT much of an issue.

[scooby_dooby]

QUOTE(LowProfileWurm @ Sep 7 2005, 08:46 PM)

Scooby Dooby (I'll assume that's something related to your "kewl" obsession with marijuana  ),

[deftonesmx17]

QUOTE(LowProfileWurm @ Sep 7 2005, 08:58 PM)

PS. Deftones, while we're all being immature, maybe I should put a disclaimer in my signature... 
 

No No No the   smiley is mine dammit.

What, my sig says it all, plus we are not allowed to use gifs or I would use the sig I use for every other forum

[Foe-hammer]

QUOTE(scooby_dooby @ Sep 8 2005, 05:00 AM)

As for the marijuana thing, I think you need to realize how many peopel in our society go around high on some sort of LEGAL drig or another, and quit judging people. Everything from prozac, to adavan, to ritialin, people are stoned ALL THE TIME, but that's ok...cause it's legal and the government makes lots and lots of money off it???

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