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incognegro

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« on: August 29, 2005, 11:14:00 AM »
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twistedsymphony

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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2005, 11:26:00 AM »
Please... all he said was "It's like, Xbox 360 doesn't make my life any better, and in fact, it makes it a lot worse, as you're telling me I can't count on having a hard drive."

If a dev was REALLY that concerned about it they should just make the game require the hard drive instead of just bitching up and whining about it. Plain and simple.
Half Life 2 is the kind of game that would make core owners go out of their way to buy the Hard Drive anyway.

Can not having a hard drive REALLY be that bad considering the WORST it does is put it on EVEN terms with other consoles?
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« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2005, 11:39:00 AM »
Ah I must have read wrong, because last I heard was that every game had to be able to run without a harddrive.  Im not as in the know as you guys about this shit admittedly so im probably wrong.  Its hard to keep up with new changing developments that come out every day and contradict what was said the day prior.  Guess I'll wait till it hits shelves to see what im really paying for.
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incognegro

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« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2005, 11:48:00 AM »
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If a dev was REALLY that concerned about it they should just make the game require the hard drive instead of just bitching up and whining about it. Plain and simple.


I guess he doesnt want to cripple sales by just making a game that appeals to 85% of the install base. Most of which will probably not buy the game.
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« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2005, 12:02:00 PM »
Please, this is Gabe Newell we're talking about here. The guy's company can make some great games, but he seems to have a habit of blaming others for his own shortcomingings. For example, postponing Half-Life 2 an entire year because some of the source code was leaked...  dry.gif More like, they knew they were months behind and blamed that fact on the leak.

Besides, MS is allowing Square to release FFXI, which will require a hard drive. They'd do the same for Valve, I'm sure. Plus, it's not like the PS2, where you had to take the system apart to add a hard drive (if I'm understanding the 360 Core system correctly). Console manufacturers have been selling upgrades to their systems for years, many of which are required by certain games. The HD should be no different here, just more expensive than most other expansions. But in return, you get more for your money.
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« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2005, 12:02:00 PM »
MS isn't requiring it but Developers know and have known that there will be consoles out there without a hard drive... 90% of the interviews and whatnot developers have said that it not a problem.

From what I've gathered the decision to make the HDD optional came about the same time as the decision to make the systems ram 512MB instead of 256MB... IMO an extra 256MB is FAR more valuable than a guaranteed hard drive.

Becides Gabe Newell is a bad example as he's had nothing but complaints about next gen consoles in general: http://www.next-gen....id=510&Itemid=2
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« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2005, 12:10:00 PM »
Icognegro wont let the HDD thing go will he  tongue.gif

Newell is a whiner, plain and simple. Hes gotten too big for his own good(Im talking about both his size AND his status in the industry).

This HDD talk will be dead when it launches, and I for one cannot wait for that to happen.
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« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2005, 12:14:00 PM »
QUOTE(VariableElite @ Aug 29 2005, 02:13 PM)
Plus, it's not like the PS2, where you had to take the system apart to add a hard drive

Unscrewing the network adapter(with a quarter just like the official manual says) or removing a little plate that snaps on and off is taking the system apart? blink.gif

So.......is placing your key in the keyhole, opening your car door, placing yourself in the car, and closing the door like some big take the car apart ordeal to you also?  laugh.gif
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« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2005, 12:28:00 PM »
yeah you definitely didn't need to take the PS2 apart for the hard drive either... just shove it up the hole in the back like a suppository  ph34r.gif
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« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2005, 12:38:00 PM »
QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Aug 29 2005, 04:39 PM)
yeah you definitely didn't need to take the PS2 apart for the hard drive either... just shove it up the hole in the back like a suppository  ph34r.gif
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« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2005, 12:45:00 PM »
QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Aug 29 2005, 01:25 PM)
Unscrewing the network adapter(with a quarter just like the official manual says) or removing a little plate that snaps on and off is taking the system apart? blink.gif
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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2005, 12:45:00 PM »
i wonder how many times and ways this arguement is going to be started.  i think Gabe is just bitter towards the next generation in general and how its changing the norm of game making.  he would much rather technology stay similar and stagnant.  because of multi-threading and multi-core CPUs coming out on next gen systems he has to rewrite the code to take advantage of the new architecture or else the performance will hurt dramatically.  im sure no developer likes the change but they arent crying about it like he is.  

just like in this forum, you will get different opinions in the development community.  you dont see the majority of the developers bitching (hell you dont even see a fraction) so why take this news as anything other then a grain of salt??
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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2005, 12:52:00 PM »
I have a question kids.

why is this fat fug whining anyways?

is he silently confirming a game is headed to the 360?

Halflife 2??

If hes talking about part 3, the xbox 720 will have been out for a year or 2 already by the time that game hits shelves.

the man makes a game every 4 or 5 years for shits sake.
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« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2005, 04:39:00 PM »
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Unscrewing the network adapter(with a quarter just like the official manual says)


I need money just to open my ps2 to add the hDD!!!! Damn sony forcharging too much for their consoles........lol.........jus kidding


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yeah you definitely didn't need to take the PS2 apart for the hard drive either... just shove it up the hole in the back like a suppository


lol....Yea str8 up the black hole  ph34r.gif

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Becides Gabe Newell is a bad example as he's had nothing but complaints about next gen consoles in general


yes, yes. thats a good point, I think know why he is crying now.

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Icognegro wont let the HDD thing go will he


I want my damn HDD damn it!!   tongue.gif
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« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2005, 04:51:00 PM »
Gabe Newell is a PC whore, and unhappy that he can't release a patch every goddamn week.  Have you seen how often HL2 is updated throught shitty steam?
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