Topic: MS, Toshiba Team On Hd-dvd Players (Read 316 times)

irajames1176 · « **on:** June 27, 2005, 06:03:00 AM »

Just caught this article when i was looking through the news this morning, I'm not sure what it means for the Xbox 360...but you never know what can happen

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In an expansion of their alliance, MS and Toshiba said Monday they plan to develop high-definition DVD players together

Here's the full article

incognegro · « **Reply #1 on:** June 27, 2005, 06:56:00 AM »

after reading this i had an idea, since hd dvd is backward compatible then is it possible to make games on hd dvd that are backward compatible? I mean like, lets imagine that an hd dvd add on comes for the 360 in the future and developers make hd dvd games for it and those who don't have the add on can still play the games in the regular xbox drive but with sacrifices. Similar to how hd dvd's can play in regular dvd players but without hd.

deftonesmx17 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 27, 2005, 07:39:00 AM »

QUOTE(incognegro @ Jun 27 2005, 09:07 AM)

after reading this i had an idea, since hd dvd is backward compatible then is it possible to make games on hd dvd that are backward compatible? I mean like, lets imagine that an hd dvd add on comes for the 360 in the future and developers make hd dvd games for it and those who don't have the add on can still play the games in the regular xbox drive but with sacrifices. Similar to how hd dvd's can play in regular dvd players but without hd.

You might want to check your facts. HD-DVD requires a new laser type, just like dvds did compared to cds. Sure a dvd player can read a cd, but a cd player can't read a dvd. Why.............different laser is needed. Backwards compatiblity means just what it states.........the new technology can use back technology also. To put it simple a HD-DVD player will read DVD's, not a DVD player will read HD-DVD's. The data is much more compressed on an HD-DVD disc and needs the 405nm wavelength blue laser.

DVD uses a 650nm wavelength red laser. A cd uses 780nm wavelength red laser. See the trend yet? As the data becomes more and more compressed on to the same physical size disc, the laser wavelength needs to be smaller.

nj12nets · « **Reply #3 on:** June 27, 2005, 10:05:00 AM »

a hd-dvd can be read in a dvd player it just can not read hidef video. only standard def video.

crustyteacup · « **Reply #4 on:** June 27, 2005, 10:10:00 AM »

em i don't think an hd-dvd could be read in a dvd player, as stated above it requires a different wavelength of light to read it. however they have made (or making?) hybrid discs, where 1 side of the disc is a dvd, flip it over and the other side is an hd-dvd disc, therefore you could put data on both sides, and a dvd player could read the dvd side and an hd-dvd player could read either.

the reality is, if a dvd player could read hd-dvds then nobody would buy an hd-dvd player correct? and there coming out this year at around $1000.

Andy51 · « **Reply #5 on:** June 27, 2005, 10:23:00 AM »

QUOTE(incognegro @ Jun 27 2005, 03:07 PM)

after reading this i had an idea, since hd dvd is backward compatible then is it possible to make games on hd dvd that are backward compatible? I mean like, lets imagine that an hd dvd add on comes for the 360 in the future and developers make hd dvd games for it and those who don't have the add on can still play the games in the regular xbox drive but with sacrifices. Similar to how hd dvd's can play in regular dvd players but without hd.

deftonesmx17 · « **Reply #6 on:** June 27, 2005, 10:25:00 AM »

QUOTE(crustyteacup @ Jun 27 2005, 12:21 PM)

em i don't think an hd-dvd could be read in a dvd player, as stated above it requires a different wavelength of light to read it. however they have made (or making?) hybrid discs, where 1 side of the disc is a dvd, flip it over and the other side is an hd-dvd disc, therefore you could put data on both sides, and a dvd player could read the dvd side and an hd-dvd player could read either.

Andy51 · « **Reply #7 on:** June 27, 2005, 11:44:00 AM »

MS went with DVD9, deal with it..

incognegro · « **Reply #8 on:** June 27, 2005, 11:57:00 AM »

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Sorry, but thats really dumb.

It's like saying that the Xbox can play Xbox 360 games...

no your just dumb.

Listen, from what ive heard (I maybe misinformed on this) hd dvd discs can be read in normal dvd players minus the HD. You will need an Hd dvd player to watch in hd. So using this as a basis, I thought it could be possible if this method was similar for hd dvd games. Since MS been hinting for awhile that they might support hd in the future, I was wondering if this is what they meant. They might change out the lasers in the future or create an add on of some sort. If the person doesnt have trhe add on the game can still be played just minus some features.

deftonesmx17 · « **Reply #9 on:** June 27, 2005, 12:03:00 PM »

QUOTE(incognegro @ Jun 27 2005, 02:08 PM)

Listen, from what ive heard (I maybe misinformed on this) hd dvd discs can be read in normal dvd players minus the HD. You will need an Hd dvd player to watch in hd.

Read both of my posts above. I have explained what is going on with the media formats.

It would not work for games. What would you get? HD FMV instead of SD FMV's. If they did what you said they would need to program two different games on one disc as they read in a very different manner. this would only raise the cost of such games. M$ will not do this. DVD's are fine for games. no person really cares that the FMV's are in HD. Most games don't even use FMV's anymore anyways as in-game movies are the new thing. With the graphics we are going to see on xbox 360..............who needs FMV's? Why make developers waste their time when the in-game engine displays sequences in great glory and HD(720p/1080i)?

holla45 · « **Reply #10 on:** June 27, 2005, 02:07:00 PM »

So there going to put HD-DVD into Xbox360 or it's to late

nj12nets · « **Reply #11 on:** June 27, 2005, 02:22:00 PM »

well i dont have a hdtv and none of my friends or family or anyone I know has it and we dont wanna pay for it. Its not usable by almost all people and it isnt perfected yet either. it will add cost to the system as well as the games. It is ont the near future. In 5 eyars maybe but by then well have the new xbox. Add it in then, cuase for most people its useless right now. compress a 9gb file and it will drop a couple gbs.

NumberOneRB · « **Reply #12 on:** June 27, 2005, 02:50:00 PM »

The fact that factories won't have to get all new equipment to manufacture the disks (like Blu-Ray) means the HD-DVDs should be relatively cheap. I think some people just say that something will increase costs for the system when they really have no clue what they're talking about (no offense to some who have said that). Because HD-DVDs are fully compatible with standard DVDs allows for MS to put it in the X360 as standard, without interfering with developers who already have created their games on the standard DVDs. It's actually the perfect situation for MS to put it in the X360 as a standard especially given the low costs to create these disks. Although some people do not own HDTVs (like one person stated above) the fact is many, MANY people own HDTVs and in a couple years the number of households that will have these Tvs will dramatically increase. Many people claim that DVD-9s are suitable for this generation but I feel that if you have an opportunity to close the technological gap between you and your competition (in this case, Sony), and the means of this inclusion are relatively cheap, then you step it up and you include the feature

nj12nets · « **Reply #13 on:** June 27, 2005, 03:03:00 PM »

im not sure who but i believe twistedsymphony has stated before in a thread that 4% of the american public owns HDTV. i could be wrong but thats what i remember reading. also hd-dvd is a new type of disc so either way disc production will cost more. blank dvds cost more then blank cds. blank dvd DL cost more then blank dvd. so HD-DVDs will cost more then dvds. the games are already slated at $60 and hd-dvd would probably make them more expensive. and like i said take a backup you ave and compress the .sio under best. see how much is taken off. now imagine compression these companies can use

also slower read times, higher seek times, instaiblity witha new technology and higher cost for a hd-dvd reader all makes it a bad choice.

deftonesmx17 · « **Reply #14 on:** June 27, 2005, 03:34:00 PM »

QUOTE(NumberOneRB @ Jun 27 2005, 05:01 PM)

Although some people do not own HDTVs (like one person stated above) the fact is many, MANY people own HDTVs and in a couple years the number of households that will have these Tvs will dramatically increase.

Well considering that M$ has stated in interviews that the system will not have support for HDMI/DVI, because they feel it is not needed. What would make one think they feel HD-DVD is needed? Any HDTV made today has and HDMI or DVI input. IMO there is a big difference in image quality @ 720p/1080i using HDMI/DVI(digital) inputs compared to using braodband Component (analog) inputs.
If M$ doesnt want to support true HD connections then why woudl they want to support HD-DVD?
M$ spent some money on the hardware and to save money and sell it for around $300, they had to leave such features out. Why do you think $ony is not including the HDD in the PS3? Because they spent plenty of money on the other hardware. Xbox 360 spent it on the HDD where $ony spent it on HDMI outputs and Blu-ray.

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