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twistedsymphony

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« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2005, 09:53:00 AM »

QUOTE(incognito @ Jun 14 2005, 10:23 AM)
YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO USE KEYBOARD AND MOUSE ON 360............and lets hope not! Im sorry but PC gamers can keep that to themselves. To me that separates us as gamers and not every body can use that setup. I can't. I prefer a controller for convenience and health reasons.
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« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2005, 10:19:00 AM »

QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Jun 14 2005, 12:04 PM)
and there are certain features of the 360's GPU (like the free 4xMSAA getup, etc.) that MS will keep ATi from using until well after the 360's launch (2 years is the rumor).

Well this is the only thing that makes me say meh. M$ isnt going to hold ATI back on this one. All ATI has to do is make a new core with a huge fillrate and AA problem solved. Heck the x850 XT has a fillrate of 8.32Gpixels compared to a 9800XT that has 3.2Gpixels. My 9800XT allows HL2 @ 1024x768 with 6xAA and 16xAF @ an avg of 40fps. Besides we don't know what GDDR4 will be like  ph34r.gif
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« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2005, 02:22:00 PM »

QUOTE(incognegro @ Jun 14 2005, 04:23 PM)
YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO USE KEYBOARD AND MOUSE ON 360............and lets hope not! Im sorry but PC gamers can keep that to themselves. To me that separates us as gamers and not every body can use that setup. I can't. I prefer a controller for convenience and health reasons.
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« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2005, 02:36:00 PM »

Well, Keyboard and mouse support are odd for devs to work with. Not the implementing the controls for, but the fact that shooting anything is alot quicker with a mouse.
Take Area 51 for example. The console version features enemies that take roughly 5 hits to kill with the pistol whereas the pc version takes more than 8. The devs said that thhy made the pc version harder because they had to even out the difficulty. If the pc version featured the same enemies, then it would be way too easy.

Now I understand that mouse users have no advantage since any of use could use a mouse, but not all of us have the proper setup as in a desk to put our mouse and kbd on, and upright position, nor any arm support.

I mean, I will be sitting in a tilt-back chair in my room. I can't see myself using a mouse and keyboard because 1. health reasons opsted in the previous post and 2. not practical in my situation.

It is clear (anyone should know this) that shooting with a mouse is much easier and quicker than shooting with an analog joystick.I won't be able to use a mouse and keyboard, so should I still expect to have fun in a game of halo where everyone around me, using mice and keyboards, are sniping me with their mice, pistol whipping me with their mice, and so forth?  

Now don't say 'you muct suck with your controller' because that is not the case. The case is that shooting with a mouse requires a flick of the wrist. Basically, look at where you want to aim and your hand will controler the mouse and zip it there. Now, with a controller, presumably a joystick, you must quide the position of the joystick with certain sensitivity. The thing is, aiming with a joystick isn't as natural as guiding your arm and hand to a destination on screen. With a mouse, you move instantly to your destination. With a joystick, you scroll to your destination.

Its like this.
Remember those laptops with those little red balls on them as mice? Well, try playing a round of counterstrike with that (using your thumb of course). Now hook up your mouse and go a round with that. See the difference? All you do is point at what you want to shoot.

Sure people who are good with controllers can still go up against these mouse and keyboard gamers, but against people who know how to use a keyboard and a mouse combination (the people who would actually hook up a mouse and keyboard to their xbox360), joystick users stand no chance in the world of reflex.

With mice, strafing and aiming at another moving target is like nothing, put it requires more skill for a controller user. When using a controller, while strafing and aiming at another player you find yourself too busy rotating the joystick to aim a little higher at the same time because you will lose track and aim by doing so, just to get a headshot.

With a mouse, you see someone on screen, and Boom you hit them. With a controller, you see someone off screen, you scroll to where they are, if you overscroll you scroll back a little more, and them boom. But god forbid they move, because then your aiming wont stay locked on them, unlike with a mouse.

And honestly, where do you put a mouse, forget a keyboard, when you are sitting on a couch?
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« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2005, 07:26:00 AM »

Seriously, if you want to use a keyboard and mouse setup play on your computer. I literally play NO pc games because I love my controller and i think thats why the console was made. To make gaming easier for the masses. PC gaming doesnt have to be simple thats why they kb+mouse setup is ideal for it. For consoles though kb+mouse is just not necessary and it creates more problems than it solves. complicates things.
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« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2005, 07:34:00 AM »

I completely agree with the problems the come with keyboard and mouse support, I don't like to use them personally which is why I'm a console gamer...

But it doesn't change the fact that MS and Sony will both be providing Keyboard and Mouse support and that it will be a good selling point in bringing over PC gamers.
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« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2005, 08:20:00 AM »

QUOTE(mirx999 @ Jun 14 2005, 01:19 PM)
But see, the problem is that not everybody can afford to spend 1000+ dollars upgrading their PC every year.  What I really meant to say is that console games look a lot better when running on comparable hardware because they are optimized to squeeze every ounce of power out of it.  What's the point of releasing a game if the hardware that makes it look better than a console game won't be affordable for another year?
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« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2005, 09:11:00 AM »

I dont think playing with a mouse gives you an advantage...

Its just... more people played with keyboard and mouse.. for hours and hours... so its more accustomed to use....

If you compare a great joystick player with a great mouse player.... it will be the same ....

Match the best mouse player against one of the Ogres or something like that...

IF u are used to the joystick > use it ... its just as fast ....
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« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2005, 10:20:00 AM »

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What is not a computer about the xbox ... and the xbox360...
It IS a computer ....


No its not.....not because it has PC characteristics doesnt make it a PC. I can surf the web with my phone, doesnt make it a pc. I can watch tv on my monitor and that doesnt make it a tv.

The xbox was built around pc technology but with a different purpose than pc's thus theyre is no comparison. Modding turned it into a watered down PC ( i must admit the only reason i modded mine was cause my pc sux and i dont have the cash to upgrade it so i use it as an extension of my pc) but that wasn't the purpose for it.

consoles use controllers
PC's use keyboard and mouse etc.

If you like sims and rts's and all that deep stuff fire up a PC
But if quick and simple fun with your friends or ppl who are just starting to play games then Consoles all the way


thats all there is to it.
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« Reply #24 on: June 15, 2005, 01:03:00 PM »

QUOTE(scienide @ Jun 15 2005, 03:48 PM)
What do you say against people who play racing games with a steering wheele?
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« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2005, 01:09:00 PM »

QUOTE(Carlo210 @ Jun 15 2005, 03:14 PM)
Yes it is. But as you SHOULD KNOW, mouse support is very different to joystick or steering wheel support. All steering wheels are are nicely designed controllers. The steering wheel acts as a joystick, with different sensitivity points. Basically, it is fooling the port to think that the streering wheel is a joystick, using NO DIFFERENT CONROL DESIGNS, unlikea mouse.  rolleyes.gif
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« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2005, 01:13:00 PM »

QUOTE(scienide @ Jun 15 2005, 05:22 PM)
I dont think playing with a mouse gives you an advantage...
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« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2005, 01:15:00 PM »

QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Jun 15 2005, 09:20 PM)
Take the best xbox counter-strike player and put them up against the best PC counter-strike player and the xbox player would get slaughtered.
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« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2005, 05:29:00 PM »

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Carlo210

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« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2005, 05:05:00 AM »

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