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incognegro

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« Reply #30 on: June 11, 2005, 07:51:00 PM »

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All this talk about massive cheating on the PS3 if a Linux based OS is used. Guys give me a break, there is already MASSIVE CHEATING being done right NOW on Xbox Live. Don't try to act as if it's not happening.


Therefore it should be considerably worse on a console running linux than a console NOT running Linux!!! rolleyes.gif
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Twasi

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« Reply #31 on: June 11, 2005, 09:22:00 PM »

I think the ironic thing is, in an interview he says PC's are coming to a dead end, so why  include an OS on the PS3? Does anyone know what flavor of linux they are putting on it? will it be point and click or command line? because the majority of people don't know how to use linux and a command line, and are to lazy to learn. This is good news for people who love to tinker with linux and such but the majority of Gamers who buy the ps3 won't care and probably will never use it.
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« Reply #32 on: June 13, 2005, 01:37:00 PM »

I think you all need to go back and read (and click the link in) Cyclonicks' post.

The PS2 already supports Linux... yet it doesn't effect that modding scene or cheating on the PS2 AT ALL.

The reason for this is simple. It's officially supported by Sony and thus officially signed. you can't REALLY run unsigned Xbox code with Linux on an Xbox either. While Linux is running you can't use it to launch unsigned Xbox apps. You'd have to back out of Linux and then launch the Xbox apps from the Xbox OS. The same goes for the PS2 (and most likely the PS3).

Where most of you are getting confused with the "unsigned code" part is that you need to be able to run unsigned code to launch Linux on an Xbox. On a PS2 the Linux installer/launcher is signed by Sony meaning that Linux still doesn't allow launching of unsigned PS2 apps. It will launch unsigned Linux apps but it still can't launch PS2 game or PS2 apps etc. Since MS refused to release a signed Linux distro the Linux hackers found a way to make the Xbox run unsigned code so that they could run an unsigned version of Linux.

The Linux distro included with the PS3 hard drive will probably NOT open the door to hackers as a matter of fact I believe it will do a great deal in CLOSING it.

How will including Linux deter hackers you ask? The answer is fairly simple.
A great deal of the hacks we have available for the Xbox were rooted in the Xbox-Linux project. The Xbox-Linux team didn't just dive in and try to hack the Xbox they had one goal in mind: running Linux. They started by requesting an official signed Linux distro, when MS denied they started exploring ways to hack it so that they could run Linux without MS's help. Even once they found ways to hack it they held their method secret and basically told MS: "If you don't give us an official distro we'll release these hacks that will allow us to run Linux as well as open doors to piracy" Then when MS denied again they released the hacks.

With Sony offering up an officially signed Linux distro all that hacking effort from the Linux junkies evaporates completely. They all believe in open source but none of them are willing to push the limits of legality if they don't have to.

Linux isn't a new feature it's a feature that they're carrying over from the PS2... and not a very popular one at that. It barely contributes to the modding scene if at all. Linux on Playstation does 2 things for Sony 1. Allows them to import the console under the guise that it is infact a computer and not a video game system. and 2. Shuts up the Linux hackers right quick so that they're busy playing with Linux instead of hacking their console.

I'm sure that the Linux junkies will play the same game with MS this round. They'll request Linux support, MS would undoubtedly deny such support (snowball's chance in hell MS would allow you to run a competing OS on their hardware) and THEN the Linux hackers will start... hacking. I guarantee you that once they find a way to run unsigned code they'll hold it hostage again just like they did with the Xbox.

If MS was smart they'd "allow" Linux and just make them jump through all sorts of hoops and red tape to get their signed Linux distro... pushing back it's release indefinitely.

So In regards to Linux... it means NOTHING... in regards to not including a hard drive out of the box... that's a BIG mistake on Sony's part: 1.) No caching/Virtual Memory, etc. this can have a BIG impact on performance.  2.) Users will have to buy a hard drive or huge ass memory card if they want any features like downloadable content, custom soundtracks, etc. Consumers aren't stupid... they understand that when looking at a PS3 it will be the price of the console+memory card  Also you think the PS2's hard drive was expensive... the PS3's hard drive will be a 2.5" which is typically 3x the costs for the same size. 3.) This also means that less developers will support it because less people will own the hardware (just look at how many games supported the PS2's hard drive).

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deftonesmx17

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« Reply #33 on: June 13, 2005, 01:51:00 PM »

QUOTE(jagsfan @ Jun 11 2005, 03:15 PM)
if i wanted another pc i would just build one.  i like m$ approach on the next gen system, extending your current pc capabilities.  plus a standard pc could do much more than the ps3, such as adding different cards or whatever that you wont be able to do with a ps3.
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« Reply #34 on: June 13, 2005, 02:45:00 PM »

ok...
so ps3 is now a "super computer" so what kind of super things can it do?
it can edit video and images!
so can my regular computer...
so you could argue but my ps3 doesnt cost as much as a computer...
great it also wont function as well as a computer im sure, linux doesnt have the best video/image software out.
noone is going to be stuck on weither to get the ps3 or a computer i asure you

it just seems to me like sony is frantic...they dont know what they are
"were the future of gaming"
"were the next gen console"
"were a super computer"
"the ps3 will replace pc's"

what are they rying to do make a machine that does everything?
it waxes you bikini lines
it makes toast
it it does your home work and makes baby ps3's if you have sex with!?

i cant wait to see what it really does...
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deftonesmx17

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« Reply #35 on: June 13, 2005, 03:05:00 PM »

QUOTE(crobar @ Jun 13 2005, 04:56 PM)
ok...
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« Reply #36 on: June 13, 2005, 04:15:00 PM »

QUOTE(zot23 @ Jun 13 2005, 11:45 PM)
And to solve the mystery of why MS and Nin like to market their products as 'game machines' is because that is 99% of people in the west that buy are interested in: playing games.
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Twasi

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« Reply #37 on: June 13, 2005, 04:43:00 PM »

I highly doubt Sony will change their mind and include a HDD, the reason they didn't do it in the first place is their production costs are already high and to add a HDD will make it impossible for them to sell it at their price point that can compete with M$ and Nintendo without loosing an unacceptable amount of money. I'm sure the way they see it is, the PS2 didn't have a HDD and it is the #1 console, so not having one for the ps3 shouldn't matter, plus making people buy expensive memory cards is a plus for them.
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lostboyz

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« Reply #38 on: June 13, 2005, 06:45:00 PM »

just for all those who are saying theyd rather build a pc. so would i if they were the same price but right now if it is possible to run a linux/windows/apple OS on either system, xbox 360 which has usb ports and vga plugin, is a lot fking cheaper ($300) for the parts that would normally cost you well over two grand to buy seperately.

its only $300, hell i got that on me right now. i could get 6 xbox 360s for the price of a hot spankin new pc
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giftic

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« Reply #39 on: June 13, 2005, 07:23:00 PM »

laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  WOW PS2 gonna run LINUX as a OS? OMG
lol that figures Sony doesnt have anymore IDEAS
Linux as a OS system..wont CUT IT FOR ME SORRY
but i believe and have all reasons to believe that Xbox 360
will run Nix and other OS's if that be the case
maybe even better because the HDD is already included lol

if thats all the PS3 got up they sleeve this ROUND is a Super Uber PC
thats gonna be one of our X marks the Spot Hattricks..Running a OS wow lol
they better bring a ARMY becuss that wont hurt Xbox 360

Linux will be on Xbox 360..maybe even the NEW Windows OS
you can count on it..lol and by the way
Xbox 1 has many LINUX distro's..lol
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« Reply #40 on: June 13, 2005, 08:40:00 PM »

dry.gif   Xbox 360 Fuckin Rox
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blackchild1101

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« Reply #41 on: June 13, 2005, 09:44:00 PM »

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Lets try to keep it simple.

Like I said before, Sony PS3+ Linux OS = Good but Sony - HDD = BAD.

To those of you, few it maybe, who think they can build a PC that is comparable to these next gen consoles need to remove the pacifiers out your mouths and the keyboard and mouses' from your collective asses. Besides the fact that the technology that is debuting on these systems is about 2-3 years away from a PC iteration, Do you have ANY idea how much the COST for a "decent" Cell processor or a IBM Tri-Core processor will run at retail? Expect around the 1000-2500 for these types of processors.

That's not including the mobo+memory+fans+graphics card. Maybe the ultra hardcore could afford this SUPER-COMPUTER PC but to the rest of us who enjoy playing on their consoles' will find little solice in this PC.
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« Reply #42 on: June 14, 2005, 02:02:00 PM »

well, lets get back to the topic for a second.  I think Sony not including the hard drive is a big mistake.  Why?  It will never recieve the mass implementation and functional use as the xbox 1's HD did, or the 360's will.  Yeah sure, PS3 devs can include a line of code that checks for a hd and a directory on it for maps and stuff, but what they CAN't do is design their games to use the hard drive to cache files, possible adding performance benefits.  What's more, is that they can't really take off with whatever online option they WERE planning because you won't be able to download content, unless Sony somehow makes 2 GB memory cards.  Now of course, they could make the hard drive mandatory, but that would be shooting themselves in the foot, as I doubt people would want to pay $80 for the hard drive ON TOP of the console price, which we've heard could be over $450.

Generally, in order for something to be used to its fullest extent and not just be a wasted feature, it has to be implemented in every incarnation of the system.  Just look at the PS2 online feature for example.  A lot of people bought the network adapter when it came out, but how many of them actually use it?  The small girth of games that supported it, and the smaller amount of them that actually had good performance online contributed to the fact that although the PS2 trumps the xbox in numbers sold in north america by almost 2:1, the xbox undisputedly has more online users than the PS2 by a ratio probably even larger than that because xbox live was propriety, secure, and had good performance.  With xbox live, everyone has broadband, most people have a headset, so you know that the performance is almost always good.  Same thing with the harddrive.  Not only did the PS2 hard drive get screwed over by the second iteration of the PS2, it only had an actual important role with one title, FFXI.  Whereas, every xbox has a hard drive, every game uses it, every live title uses it, and it not only adds performance benefits, but completely solves the storage problems of consoles.

This is something that MS learned with the last generation, and so they are making sure that the 360 comes complete with everything nessecary to be able to take advantage of all the features of the console.  Meanwhile, Sony is going off and implementing all these useless features half-assedly, which most likely are not going to be very popular with most casual and dedicated gamers alike-simply for the reason that it costs money, and since its not something that developers can count on every person owning, they can't really develop their game in such a way as to take advantage of it in the right way, because otherwise their game would only be available to a small amount of people.  This makes a sort of paradox.  People won't pay for the hard drive because it probably wont be used much.  Devs wont use it much because people probably won't buy it.

Whereas with the xbox, this problem is sovled because EVERYONE has a hard drive, therefore the devs can use it just like any other piece of hardware.
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« Reply #43 on: June 14, 2005, 02:19:00 PM »

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Twasi

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« Reply #44 on: June 14, 2005, 06:16:00 PM »

blink.gif  Not sure if any of you have read the article but here's a quote from it concerning the Cell.
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Mr. Kutaragi tried to interest Mr. Jobs in adopting the Cell chip, which is being developed by I.B.M. for use in the coming PlayStation 3, in exchange for access to certain Sony technologies. Mr. Jobs rejected the idea, telling Mr. Kutaragi that he was disappointed with the Cell design, which he believes will be even less effeftive than the PowerPC.

Full article is here. http://news.teamxbox...Cell-Processor/
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