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[incognegro]

 but the point is they dont care about the advantages of having a peripheral like the HDD at launch. They just want to have something to say to counter MS. Just look at Ken's current haterade campaign; its never been about innovation with them, its all about bragging rights.

[blackchild1101]

Having Linux as a OS abolutly rocks.

To be honest with you, other then caching files, the devs and MS didn't fully expolit the benefits of having a HDD with the current Xbox but it looks like with the 360 there taking full advantage of a HDD.

It's gonna be one ugly summer and X-miss. Ladies and gentlemen let the war begin.  

[incognegro]

 somebody give this dude a seat and some

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Although in truth XBL was a failure

not flaming you but i disagree. Yes, offline players out number online players on the xbox but this was a time when broadband users were less and XBL managed to surpass most online services even though they had a really small market to work with. Its like when people say that the gamecube was failure; nintendo would probably laugh if you said that. They did a great job appealing to their audience and made a profit doing it, thats why they are so stubborn. MS barely got a profit but sold twice more than the cube.

MS's first priority was to be the pioneer not the market leader, yet they succeeded at both.

[twistedsymphony]

guitardork864 My sentiments exactly

As for the comment about XBL being a failure... I don't agree.

Do you remember Sega? sure you do but do you remember their online services? they've been pushing for internet based gaming since the genesis and all of their efforts with the Genesis, Saturn, and Dreamcast combined were not pushing the numbers that MS is with XBL.

Also that number of barely over a million subscribers is completely incorrect MS celebrated the million member mark in July 15th last year. January of this year they had hit 1.4 members (right after the halo 2 rush) and at E3 they had announced that they broke the 2 million member mark with membership increasing at a growing rate.

Considering when MS launched XBL they said they wanted to break 1 million members by the end of June 04 and they did it on July 15th I think that says a lot.

It says that MS is reading the market accurately and setting their goals appropriately, they met their targets and IMO that makes it a success.

It's not like Sony Who when they launched the PS2 in they said they would have a hard drive and network adapter available within 6 months and that they would deliver online content and "revolutionize" online gaming... Then they didn't deliver till years later and at only a fraction of what they promised. It's not like Sega who pushed and innovated and pushed and innovated and pushed but just couldn't get people to use it.

No MS read the market, set a lofty goal, then met it. The C|Net interview with J Allard he talks about the goals MS had set integrally before the Xbox's launch for where they wanted to be and when with the console and they've hit just about all of them right on the mark.

Now look at their goals... At E3 they said they wanted something like %50 of all Xbox360 owners to use live. They said they wanted to sell 1 Billion consoles... I know I scoffed at that but then again... they've met all of their goals in the past  

Just because 2 million subscribers doesn't impress YOU doesn't make it a failure.  

[deftonesmx17]

QUOTE(Xeriak @ Jun 11 2005, 12:19 AM)

Now Sega was brilliant, along with Nintendo.... Those two were the best in the day.... and then Sony came along and unloaded their deep pockets...

What was the point of that? What did that prove? What the fuck do you think M$ is doing? Unloading their deep pockets  

[incognegro]

Sony added to gaming not take away. I respect sony for that. They forced nintendo and sega to change their game plan. Cause the 16 bit era was getting tired and both Nintendo and sega was tired ( Still is IMO). MS is in a similar position to dethrone the tired Sony.

[Deftech]

Ive seen many interviews, and when they mentioned 1 billion, they said they wanted to reach 1 billion people, not sell 1 billion consoles. Reaching 1 billion could mean including house hold, and that alone would be what? 3 to 5 people alone.

Everyone at some point in that 5 people family plays a game on 360, or tries live arcade...to me thats whats they meant. Not 1 billion 360's sold.

I could be very wrong though. Im sure Deftones will be all over it if I am  

 

[deftonesmx17]

QUOTE(Deftech @ Jun 15 2005, 02:46 PM)

let me correct twisted...and I could be wrong as well, so maybe Ill need correcting later on 

[twistedsymphony]

[Deftech]

QUOTE(deftonesmx17 @ Jun 15 2005, 04:49 PM)

Thanks buddy.  I thought we were two "crazy" pals.

[Deftech]

QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Jun 15 2005, 04:58 PM)

though thats' still a fairly lofty goal and doesn't change my point 

[twistedsymphony]

QUOTE(Deftech @ Jun 15 2005, 03:05 PM)

agreed, just clarifying what was said.

[Deftech]

QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Jun 15 2005, 05:37 PM)

Probably something having to do with cell phones... that man loves cell phones 

[Andy51]

[blackchild1101]

). But in a way that's a very misleading statement because now XBL will be free 1-2 weekends a month. So people can just create a gamertag and log in and have fun.

It's like AOL saying they have a billion customers. Just not all of them are acutally still using our software any longer.