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[not2able]

QUOTE(evildereck @ Nov 17 2011, 07:11 PM)

If I had a dollar for everytime someone has posted that over the years

Vice versa...If I had a dollar for eveytime someone said we are safe on xbox live with back ups...I'd be as minted as you..

This time its very different. The game has changed...Silent updates?? defeating that is virtually impossible.  As much as a legend C4 is...This one, is very very different.  Ban wave coming, for anyone thinking they won't ban, thats well, um, naive.

[jjonty1]

QUOTE(not2able @ Nov 17 2011, 06:24 PM)

This time its very different. The game has changed...Silent updates?? defeating that is virtually impossible.  As much as a legend C4 is...This one, is very very different.  Ban wave coming, for anyone thinking they won't ban, thats well, um, naive.

its on it way  lol

[jbluford]

QUOTE(slash007 @ Nov 17 2011, 06:49 PM)

Is there a way to uninstall the silent update so that I can at least play the affected backups off-line?

You can't uninstall the dae.bin update but if you start your system without a hard drive or memory card in it then the games will boot. You can then put in a memory card or flash drive (NOT a hard drive) while the game is booted and load your profile from there.  You obviously can't go on live like this because it will force you to update but you can play them offline.

[totoz]

QUOTE(djbastard @ Nov 17 2011, 07:20 PM)

If it gets ripped using 0800 firmware or any other means then the program still needs the DAE.bin file to know how to find the challenges.

If the DAE.bin file gets updated then it tells us more ways to find other challenges on the disc and we have to rerip and reburn the disc with the updated DAE.bin file to comply with the new challenges.

my bad, I thought that c4eva, with 0800 v3 firmware, found a way to rip ALL ap25 info, but it can rip only ap25 checks known thanks to several dae.bin.

[jjonty1]

QUOTE(jbluford @ Nov 17 2011, 06:28 PM)

You can't uninstall the dae.bin update but if you start your system without a hard drive or memory card in it then the games will boot. You can then put in a memory card or flash drive (NOT a hard drive) while the game is booted and load your profile from there.  You obviously can't go on live like this because it will force you to update but you can play them offline.

Just tryed that still comes up with the same, lol ..... face it looks like i'll buy a new xbox tomorrow and mw3

[dangerouseddy]

QUOTE(not2able @ Nov 17 2011, 07:24 PM)

Vice versa...If I had a dollar for eveytime someone said we are safe on xbox live with back ups...I'd be as minted as you..

This time its very different. The game has changed...Silent updates?? defeating that is virtually impossible.  As much as a legend C4 is...This one, is very very different.  Ban wave coming, for anyone thinking they won't ban, thats well, um, naive.

no ban wave required.  backups not working = job done.

[ebscene]

WOW, my live enabled Toshiba-Samsung drive with no AP2.5 checks just became very valuable!

[dradra]

As i posted in other thread.
They just need to store sector coordinates and not angles responses for AP25. Angles can be calculated from the sector positions.
if for every coordinate you  store two doubles (16 bits), or two qwords, that information will be 1/128 the size of the DVD. And if you're clever you probably can reduce the size a lot more. Like storing only deltas, maybe use dwords and words for storage and apply compression after.

[tomgreen99200]

QUOTE(jbluford @ Nov 17 2011, 01:28 PM)

You can't uninstall the dae.bin update but if you start your system without a hard drive or memory card in it then the games will boot. You can then put in a memory card or flash drive (NOT a hard drive) while the game is booted and load your profile from there.  You obviously can't go on live like this because it will force you to update but you can play them offline.

Can anyone confirm this? The DAE.bin file is stored in the NAND so why would this even work.

[moh.sakhaii]

QUOTE(dangerouseddy @ Nov 17 2011, 10:10 PM)

no ban wave required.  backups not working = job done.

Or to be more exact, no backups on live = job done

QUOTE(tomgreen99200 @ Nov 17 2011, 10:12 PM)

Can anyone confirm this? The DAE.bin file is stored in the NAND so why would this even work.

It's b****it, of course it won't work

[crazygoldfish]

I was about to sell my hitachi box that I resserrected & fitted a blaster onto it.

Think I'll keep it

[jaroc]

To everyone saying "ohh this is it guys no more backups on xbox live this time is different" - I'm on xbox live with my xgd3 backups right now,  samsung drives and hitachi drives when lthe new f.w comes out are still working.

[not2able]

QUOTE(jaroc @ Nov 17 2011, 07:54 PM)

To everyone saying "ohh this is it guys no more backups on xbox live this time is different" - I'm on xbox live with my xgd3 backups right now,  samsung drives and hitachi drives when lthe new f.w comes out are still working.

Thats kind of stating the obvious though, we all know sammys and hitachi's are exempt..

[Aldanga]

QUOTE(thesonandheir @ Nov 17 2011, 04:06 AM)

Tiros, the guy sure knows his onions alright.

He definitely does. People (read: C4E/#fw 'groupies') don't give him the credit he deserves. I think sometimes he's a little too definite in his proclamations, but he's no slouch when it comes to knowledge of this stuff.

QUOTE(Mr.RedRing @ Nov 17 2011, 10:37 AM)

I do not understand why, if we rip a retail XGD3 backup using the 0800 firmware, and then burn with LT Burner Max, why would that disk still fail current AP2.5 checks?  It's not like the AP2.5 data on the physical disc changes every other week..  I plan on buying the Halo Anniversary remake today, if I buy that game it will have the same AP2.5 replay data on it 1 year from now.  I could be missing something or not understanding something correctly though...

If I can speak a little more on this topic: it's not that the responses are stored on the disc, but that they are calculated from angles whose result is known. Since the angles don't change as they are physical versions of highs and lows, 1s and 0s, they are constant and can be used in calculations to arrive at consistent results. If my understanding is correct (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong about this), there are theoretically virtually infinite combinations of challenges that can be calculated from each disc. The major limitation thus far has been the DAE table, and that is because it can't store an infinite number of challenges. If it could, it would be almost impossible to bypass or fulfill AP2.5 requirements with present implementations.

As for the Hitachi and Sammy drives: only those drives which don't support AP2.5 are free from these problems. Some Hitachis do support AP2.5, so you need to be sure that the drive your console has doesn't support AP2.5 before you try to use it for AP2.5 games.

[vishdas108]

QUOTE(not2able @ Nov 18 2011, 12:18 AM)

I see what you are saying BUT XGD2 still work right? and any non non AP 2.5 title...So why do you think they still won't ban modified consoles..I still smell it happening.

 i just got banned  now . i played mw3 last night   when i tried to play this morning  i was getting unsupported disc error . after checking c4eva's  channel i  understood every thing . i  turned  on my xbox  ban message   received . end of drama   and praying  that MS does not ban