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[WhyS]

I'm getting confused.
My backup of mw3 does not work as of today, but will an original mw3 load up, or not?
And if the original copy does work, should I still stay away from going online?

LT 2.0

[Redline99]

QUOTE(Mr.RedRing @ Nov 17 2011, 09:37 AM)

I do not understand why, if we rip a retail XGD3 backup using the 0800 firmware, and then burn with LT Burner Max, why would that disk still fail current AP2.5 checks?  It's not like the AP2.5 data on the physical disc changes every other week..  I plan on buying the Halo Anniversary remake today, if I buy that game it will have the same AP2.5 replay data on it 1 year from now.  I could be missing something or not understanding something correctly though...

Because ap25 challenges are nearly infinite depending on the exact challenges in the dae. If the dae changes, which it does, then the set of challenges changes too.  When the challenges change then whatever has been recorded onto the backup is no longer valid. Also if the challenges are unique to your console then getting the dae bin is much harder, it is cpu key encrypted.  You cannot just swap it out or use someone else's and you need the replies stored on the backup to match the challenges of the dae in your nand.  So if you dont have your cpu key and you don't have a way to decrypt your dae file continually, then you now have issues with playing backups.

[spyder dogg]

QUOTE(slash007 @ Nov 17 2011, 12:49 PM)

Is there a way to uninstall the silent update so that I can at least play the affected backups off-line?

wouldnt that be the solution to all our problems lol,u make it sound so easy

[crackalac]

QUOTE(Mr.RedRing @ Nov 17 2011, 11:37 AM)

Exactly, modding/hacking and such wouldn't be fun if there wasn't a challenge.  I agree, it sucks that MS does stuff like this, but in the event we had to reflash with a new firmware (I know thats not the case), I wouldnt mind.  I personally enjoy working on Xboxs very much.  It's all part of the game.
I do not understand why, if we rip a retail XGD3 backup using the 0800 firmware, and then burn with LT Burner Max, why would that disk still fail current AP2.5 checks?  It's not like the AP2.5 data on the physical disc changes every other week..  I plan on buying the Halo Anniversary remake today, if I buy that game it will have the same AP2.5 replay data on it 1 year from now.  I could be missing something or not understanding something correctly though...

There are millions of possible challenges.  The retail disk can answer all of these challenges correctly as it is a true pressed disk. When you make an 0800 rip or patch in ap2.5 data, you are only giving your backup a very small portion of the possible challenge/response table.  This worked until now because as long as we know what measurements ts checking, we can rip that same data.  The problem now is that it might ask me for a different measurement than it asks you. And they can Change this on the fly. Your burned disk is still sitting in your Xbox with those old challenge/response tables.

[totoz]

QUOTE(Mr.RedRing @ Nov 17 2011, 06:37 PM)

I do not understand why, if we rip a retail XGD3 backup using the 0800 firmware, and then burn with LT Burner Max, why would that disk still fail current AP2.5 checks?  It's not like the AP2.5 data on the physical disc changes every other week..  I plan on buying the Halo Anniversary remake today, if I buy that game it will have the same AP2.5 replay data on it 1 year from now.  I could be missing something or not understanding something correctly though...

+1 - need answer

[XeoNoX]

Reports of BAN WAVE coming :-(    Stock up your Chirstmas stockings with legit games and a new unbanned console!!

[not2able]

Back ups and live..No more..Simple.

[evildereck]

QUOTE(not2able @ Nov 17 2011, 12:09 PM)

Back ups and live..No more..Simple.

If I had a dollar for everytime someone has posted that over the years

[Aldrahn]

QUOTE(Mr.RedRing @ Nov 17 2011, 08:37 PM)

I do not understand why, if we rip a retail XGD3 backup using the 0800 firmware, and then burn with LT Burner Max, why would that disk still fail current AP2.5 checks?  It's not like the AP2.5 data on the physical disc changes every other week..  I plan on buying the Halo Anniversary remake today, if I buy that game it will have the same AP2.5 replay data on it 1 year from now.  I could be missing something or not understanding something correctly though...

Seriously, you are wondering if you're missing something? This has been explained a million times in this site alone, not mentioning the whole freaking internet! Come on guys, a bit more reading and a little more using your brain. The process of manufacturing a retail disc is quite different than making a copy/backup of it and every new challenge set "asks" for different responses. Your backup only has "answers" for the challenges it was burned with, while an original disc has every "answer" for any challenge. That's the reason why you need to reburn your backups every time MS changes the challenges with a new dae.bin. I can't explain this using more layman's terms...

[MVPd]

Something I've slways wondered but never asked, is there a way to get all the responses from a disc. How does it work, is it just the way the disc is pressed, or is there a file/data within the disc that currently can't be ripped? If its the latter then the solution would be to obviously extract this info for each disc so rips are a true 1/1 copy. Although if this was the case I imagine this would of happened ages ago.

[MVPd]

Something I've slways wondered but never asked, is there a way to get all the responses from a disc. How does it work, is it just the way the disc is pressed, or is there a file/data within the disc that currently can't be ripped? If its the latter then the solution would be to obviously extract this info for each disc so rips are a true 1/1 copy. Although if this was the case I imagine this would of happened ages ago.

[crackalac]

QUOTE(totoz @ Nov 17 2011, 12:07 PM)

+1 - need answer

Try reading the post directly above yours

[djbastard]

QUOTE(Mr.RedRing @ Nov 17 2011, 06:37 PM)

Exactly, modding/hacking and such wouldn't be fun if there wasn't a challenge.  I agree, it sucks that MS does stuff like this, but in the event we had to reflash with a new firmware (I know thats not the case), I wouldnt mind.  I personally enjoy working on Xboxs very much.  It's all part of the game.
I do not understand why, if we rip a retail XGD3 backup using the 0800 firmware, and then burn with LT Burner Max, why would that disk still fail current AP2.5 checks?  It's not like the AP2.5 data on the physical disc changes every other week..  I plan on buying the Halo Anniversary remake today, if I buy that game it will have the same AP2.5 replay data on it 1 year from now.  I could be missing something or not understanding something correctly though...

FYI:
All those AP2.5 challenges are stored on the disc but on a special way and we don't know how to read those challenges at first. That's where the DAE.bin file is for. It tells us where to look for the challenges on the original disc so we can rip it from the disc. If that file is not there then we still don't know where to look.

If it gets ripped using 0800 firmware or any other means then the program still needs the DAE.bin file to know how to find the challenges.

If the DAE.bin file gets updated then it tells us more ways to find other challenges on the disc and we have to rerip and reburn the disc with the updated DAE.bin file to comply with the new challenges.

So this means if each console has like a shared section of 90% of the challenges and the other 10% (the part that gets silently updated) of the challenges are console specific you cannot share the DAE.bin file any more. That also means everyone has to rip a copy himself eachtime from an original disc.

And making every challenge possible would not fit on a disc that we can burn.

Possible solutions:
-NAND Write Protect (but this will give write errors that Microsoft can read)
-RGH and get CPU key. Decrypt the KeyVault and change the OSIG to Sammy. Encrypt it again and put it back on the nand and change your drive itself to a Sammy. (this can also give problems like Microsoft knowing which factory made batches contain a certain drive)
-Never on Live again
-Don't go online now and wait till there is a solution from the man/team who brought us 6 years of countermeasures against Microsoft
-Go buy a second hand Xbox with a Sammy drive or a pre Hitachi 78 drive.

Any other solutions will be highly appreciated!

[jjonty1]

QUOTE(buster1395 @ Nov 17 2011, 05:59 PM)

no

Hope it dont take long to counter microsoft attempt of making us all unhappy..  We will always win

[crackalac]

QUOTE(MVPd @ Nov 17 2011, 12:19 PM)

Something I've slways wondered but never asked, is there a way to get all the responses from a disc. How does it work, is it just the way the disc is pressed, or is there a file/data within the disc that currently can't be ripped? If its the latter then the solution would be to obviously extract this info for each disc so rips are a true 1/1 copy. Although if this was the case I imagine this would of happened ages ago.

It's not even close to being possible. Way too much data to fit on a disk.