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HOMiE7

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Team Xecuter: New Fake AP25 Patches – Still Unsafe For Xbox Live
« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2011, 10:15:00 AM »

QUOTE(=jenipapo= @ Apr 30 2011, 04:30 PM) View Post
Here is all ap2.5 patches: http://hackfaq.net/x...-patches-games/

Homie, where can I get AP25 Data Injector?

Thanks!
You can download it from:
My little site: http://homie7.narod....ector_0.1.0.rar
RichY's site: http://hackfaq.net/d...ector_0.1.0.rar

It's 0.1.0 version...

Press "Help" button for some information.

QUOTE(Evi1d33d @ Apr 30 2011, 05:43 PM) View Post
@HOMiE7

Correct me if I'm wrong cause your site is in Russian. Do you have a way for everyone to obtain their own angles? Team Xecuter and C4EVA are trusted because they have released 0800 firmwares to rip non-AP25 games in the past. The reason they didn't release a 0800 FW for AP25 yet is because it would reveal an exploit that M$ could patch.
So if you are just releasing patches without telling anyone how to do it themselves, of course people is going to be skeptical. Because you can just release an AP25 patch that matches a known pattern on the FW but not Live.

The only way I have it's getting response angles from dae.bin. User can add a little jitter to these values by pressing "Add jitter to angles in ISO" button. It will randomly add +1 to response angle (hardcoded probability = 0.25) or add -1 to response angle (hardcoded probability = 0.25) or leave it untouched (hardcoded probability = 0.5). If you want to add jitter you should press this button only once! If you'll press it many times you can add big jitter that isn't good. I think +-1 degree for some response angles is okay. Drive isn't to precisely to return to the host the same angles every time for original disc. So I think that +-1 is normal.

About responce data... File dae.bin also contains PSN 1 and PSN 2 (Physical Sector Number) between which drive should make an angle measurement and return response angle to the host. So response data is only 4 bytes of sector that is specified in PSN 2. This data must be untouched. That's why I recommend you to check your image in abgx360 first, especially Game Partition CRC. If game exists in abgx360 database Game Partition CRC should matches CRC from database. Copying response data from images which Game Partition CRC isn't matches CRC from database is DANGEROUS for Xbox LIVE!

So that's all.

If you want more info you can check http://hackfaq.net/x...-patches-games/ and http://hackfaq.net/x...5_full_patches/

Thanks to RichY a.k.a. ARY for initial concept.
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dank4life

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« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2011, 11:41:00 AM »

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Do not ever trust an unofficial fw or an unofficial patch.

Excellent advice. If it's not from M$, the jokes on you.
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 they only care to have their name in lights with some software release that is both dangerous and irresponsible to the Xbox firmware community.

sounds like someone speaking from experience. Theres only one name in lights in this scene


If memory serves me correctly the only unsafe releases that ever got me banned were C4E fw's.  Seriously though, I've learned that whenever theres some longwinded diatribe announcement from the tx town crier, scroll down an update or 2 to find the real news. How about that XODE!! I remember a couple months ago when the new flashing hardware was coming out, it seemed like the odd emus were so far away. Now its literally right around the corner.
Za Rodinu!
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« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2011, 11:55:00 AM »

Where exactly does XODE put your standlaone flasher, out of interest?

Anyway, the point is, this isnt safe, that doesnt mean its not purposeful.

The news statement is just to inform those, just because it boots, doesnt mean its stealth.

"Kreon rips" boot but are considered unsafe.

If you're baned a kreon is fine, if you're bannned, this'll be fine.

If you're not, I strongly suggest you wait for abgx/0800.

Incidentally, dank4life, you were banned because you used c4's fw?

Who elses would you use ?
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mik30

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« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2011, 12:02:00 PM »

QUOTE(CelerionQ @ Apr 30 2011, 01:42 PM) View Post

That's a good point. The Kreon SSv1 responses are just as "fabricated" and therefore believed to be unsafe. While that is very likely true there still haven't been any Kreon related bans I know of since the LT times.


Kreon once explained why he choose to use fixed data with jitter
in spite of implementing a real angle measurement routine.
He did so because *ALL* discs use the same layout (they are stamped).
and because the 360 always challenges the angle between the
same PSN. For reliabillity reasons MS chose to use 90° angles
which is quite sufficient.

The AP25 is just more of the same. MS now allows the 360
to ask for angles of other PSNs. In fact these othe PSNs come
from the file dae.bin.

Regardless of this file, the fact remains that the disk is
stamped according to a certain definition. Resulting from
this fact all discs adhere to this standard. therefor all discs
from the same production must have the same angle between
certain PSNs.

That would only be different if MS would implement a variable
distance between PSN like securom does on PC DVD media,
which is currently *NOT* the case.

With AP25 MS added a few more angle mesurements,
which are not replicated by the hacked firmware unless
the AP25 sector is present in the image.

Executer is deceiving the public if they tell you that one
needs the originial to produce the ap25 sector. One just
needs *any* original to calculate the distance between
PSN. The russion hackers get the proper PSN right
from the dae.bin. That´s the file the 360 uses as well.
That´s the reason why their AP25 sectors work.

I do apreciate the open info & detailed description policy
of these russion hackers which is nicely welcomed in contrast
to the closed source/behind the scene attitude of c4 & executer.

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joliverio

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« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2011, 12:55:00 PM »

I am respecting all people that SOONER or LATER starting to think that "working for free" isn't cool, specially for the Xbox-360 scene that is so lack of new talents......But these kinds of "ADS" showing that "others are $%^&" do not get my point..... IF YOU WANT TO BECOME A REAL BUSINESS, IT IS VERY FAR FROM THE IDEAL!!! Even you that are blaming that "others are $%^&" are responsible for THOUSANDS or MILLIONS of people that ARE BANNED ON LIVE before. And I know that the GOAL is keeping LIVE ON, so I can say that EVERYONE FAIL !!!!!!!!! For offline, I am very happy with my JTAG!!!!
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JOCKz

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« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2011, 06:20:00 PM »

QUOTE(mik30 @ May 1 2011, 04:02 AM) View Post

Kreon once explained why he choose to use fixed data with jitter
in spite of implementing a real angle measurement routine.
He did so because *ALL* discs use the same layout (they are stamped).
and because the 360 always challenges the angle between the
same PSN. For reliabillity reasons MS chose to use 90° angles
which is quite sufficient.

The AP25 is just more of the same. MS now allows the 360
to ask for angles of other PSNs. In fact these othe PSNs come
from the file dae.bin.

Regardless of this file, the fact remains that the disk is
stamped according to a certain definition. Resulting from
this fact all discs adhere to this standard. therefor all discs
from the same production must have the same angle between
certain PSNs.

That would only be different if MS would implement a variable
distance between PSN like securom does on PC DVD media,
which is currently *NOT* the case.

With AP25 MS added a few more angle mesurements,
which are not replicated by the hacked firmware unless
the AP25 sector is present in the image.

Executer is deceiving the public if they tell you that one
needs the originial to produce the ap25 sector. One just
needs *any* original to calculate the distance between
PSN. The russion hackers get the proper PSN right
from the dae.bin. That´s the file the 360 uses as well.
That´s the reason why their AP25 sectors work.

I do apreciate the open info & detailed description policy
of these russion hackers which is nicely welcomed in contrast
to the closed source/behind the scene attitude of c4 & executer.


Im glad ppl still take the time to educate others on topics as such, i read through this topic last night and thb, i dont have the patience (or time) to sit down and write such a detailed reply. I commend you sir !!

Secondly, Team Xecuter piggy-back on what information is available/unavailable from C4 and others. They strategically place notices like this to misinform "most" of the unwilling public, I remember strolling through their forums 2 years ago and their own moderators would say the x-Drive add-on was safer than having internal ODD flashed on its own.
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« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2011, 12:51:00 AM »

Good informative posts! Keep them coming!

It's very easy for people like Team Xecuter to sit on their high horse, and toss stones at unfamiliar names, however, I ask the community - when was the last time Team Xecuter provided you with anything that didn't cost you $$?

I'm not saying T-X doesn't have a place in the scene, but don't charge for every contribution, and then attempt to bash someone that is at the very least TRYING to contribute for free. Maybe it's the "free" part that irks you guys  dry.gif
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« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2011, 07:33:00 AM »

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Do not ever trust an unofficial fw or an unofficial patch.

Like yours?  sleep.gif

Seriously. This reminds me of when C4E got pissed at NX for editing ix1.41 saying he don't like his firmware being modified. Hahahaha. HIS firmware? No. MS's firmware that he modified. He had no right to bitch about people doing what he was doing in the scene to fill holes that he wasn't filling.

If you guys really want others to stop trying to steal your thunder, then listen to the scene and give the scene what they want.

So long as you guys want to play king big $%^& and dictate to the scene what they should think the priorities are (regardless of what they actually are), there will be a place and need for others to fill the void. And thank god for anyone willing to come forward and try.

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they DO NOT CARE about the safety of your console and XBL account

Neither does the majority of xbox360 users.

Microsoft has already publicly released information on how many XBL users they have several times in the past. They have already publicly posted how many people pay for gold service to play on-line in the past. They have always publicly released sales numbers after holiday sales (the last being just a few months ago).

So if one is capable of simple grade school math, it's very easy to read the data and understand what it says.

To date, Gold accounts on XBL still represent a little less then 40%. This means, a little over 60% still don't give a flying %$^& about XBL.

The ONLY priority is playing backups, period! Without a lot of hoopla and BS for the end user. And if that means no XBL, then so be it. This is exactly the way it was circa Xbox 1, so not really sure why anyone expected any different this time around.

Lets face facts here. If it wasn't for the constant pandering to a minorty trying to push backup use on-line, which no one had/has any right to expect, we wouldn't have had any of the ban waves that took place, nor all the dash updates, and most likely ap2.5 would never had been implimented yet.

The dirty little secret is that they don't really care about piracy that much because they know it doesn't impact sales as much as they would like you to believe. Analysts at Sony were already caught saying as much last year, and given Sony's market share, it's safe to assume it's even more true for MS.

What IS a problem for MS are a bunch of people deliberately going out of their way to wave their nose at them and spit in their face. Hence why we are where we are now.

This attitude and mentality that it has to be "XBL Safe or nothing" is bull$%^& and does NOT serve the scene in general. It only serves a minorty AND absolutly forces MS to take more signifigant steps against it making it harder for everyone, including the majority who never gave a £$%^ about XBL to begin with.

It's NOT all about you and XBL. Sooner you guys get that through your heads, the better off we will be. If you guys don't want to cater to the rest of the scene, fine, but at the very least shut the the %^&* up and let others that want to do so do it.

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they only care to have their name in lights

Like you. All you guys do is constantly brag about your own stuff and bash everyone else who does anything that you don't like. Like giving the majority what they want, since you guys refuse to.

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dangerous and irresponsible to the Xbox firmware community.

Dangerous and Irresponsible for who? See above. The 60%+ majority of people don't give a $%^& about a single thing you pointed out in this latest arrogant self important egotistical rant.

Really, can you guys atleast try a little honesty for a change; "dangerous and irresponible for the whiny minorty that kiss our asses". Those are the only people you guys care about, not the community on a whole.

Whatever happed with you guys disbanding a while back anyways? And what would it take to get your guys to start thinking about it again? So long as you guys want to have this "it's all and only about us" attitude, you are a hinderance & liability causing more harm then good, and have no business being in the scene.

(And to the kiss-asses and noobs who don't understand how proper scenes work and think them going away would be bad, just shut up now. In a proper scene, more then one person/group contributes. In a proper scene, more then just one niche group is focused on, typicaly by more then one person/group each. In a proper scene, it's sceners doing the work for the shear sake of helping the scene that they are part of; not doing things for the accolade & fame or profit. This is the way every scene (except the 360 scene) has worked, and always to the overall benifit of the scenes on a whole. But so long as they continue to exist while functioning as they do, there will not be very many other persons/groups willing to come forward and offer alternatives for the people who want them. That hurts the scene and bogs it down.

Yes, they were first, good for them. That doesn't make them the best, that doesn't make their agenda superiour. That doesn't mean only they should be allowed to contribute and everyone else should bow to them. They are stuck in the past with an agneda that represents only a smaller segment of the scene, ignoring the needs & wants of other segments of the scene. If they dont want to support the rest of the scene, that's fine, so long as they don't stop others from trying to. But they do try to stop other and continue to push this "it's our way or no way" bull$%^.

There is no room for monopolist dictators in any scene. They have no right to exclusive sole control of what happens in this scene. Yet that is exactly what they are and exactly what they expect, and they can $%^& right off. They are not the only people who know anything about the 360, and no amount of trying to sweep that under the rug changes that. The scene absolutely needs other people/groups besides them to provide for the 'rest of the scene' that doesn't give a damn about their agenda.)
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HOMiE7

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« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2011, 07:41:00 AM »

Thank you very much for the appreciation guys! smile.gif
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« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2011, 12:12:00 PM »

please tone the language down, minors go on here and swearing is against the rules.

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Going to clean up some of this thread.

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« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2011, 05:28:00 PM »

Now, I'd love to have certified angles, but I gotta say, if I'm going to have to reburn my shit every time there's a dash update I'd rather have unofficial angles that cover the entire span. Not having to reburn anything sounds far more optimal for me, who only games offline. [I don't play enough to warrant a XBL subscription.]
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« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2011, 05:22:00 PM »

The point got missed entirely

Non-XBL wasn't even mentioned. If you don't use XBL then use these patches. The point was that this guy said that these patches were safer than C4E's - that implies that his patches are safer on XBL than C4E's, which is a lie and totally wrong and shows absolutley no care or consideration for user's XBL accounts and also shows he has absolutley no clue how the AP25 challenges work with respect to actually being checked by the XBL network.

All of C4E's patches are measured with real live XBL responses.

These patches are taken from the dae.bin (as documented by defosho)

The usual Xecuter-haters can bitch all they like (you only have to look at their very few posts to see a pattern) - but that doesn't take away from the fact that users needed to be informed.
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« Reply #27 on: June 01, 2011, 04:59:00 AM »

The patch injector is PPF-o-matic

He has applied an interesting approach, Extracting from a stock 0800 rip seems a little fruitless tho ....

 I guess if I were in one of the countries left out in the cold by Team-X's patches and my original disc(s) was scratched, I might be willing to run these patches online also.. But ATM not getting banned is a poor indication of stealth. I also find it interesting that he claims that the only differences in his patches and theirs is the nominal 0.1 degree deviation.  VERY interesting .. ;-) Something doesn't seem right there.. Begs further investigation ......

BTW the kreon issue has to day with the angle changing from 1 degs to 359 degs (who uses kreons these days anywayz? It's just asking fer trouble ;-) I don't see there ever being Kreon 0800 AP2.5 ripping FW ....

If these patches allow ppl to play offline or to use their legit backups online in countries that don't have patches available (and they can't wait fer LT+0800) Then they have value! I don't think they should be labelled as 'fake' or 'of no value' perhaps words like 'unsafe' or 'miss-represented' should be applied instead. I'm sure despite rumblings, c4 won't feel in anyway threatened. I guess he was, (as were others) annoyed at the claims made about these patches......

It doesn't really matter anymore as LT2.0 is due any day now (at least that's what I keep telling the ppl making my life a misery with daily interruptions ;-p

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