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Team Xecuter: New Fake AP25 Patches – Still Unsafe For Xbox Live Posted by XanTium | April 30 00:34 EST | News Category: Xbox360

From team-xecuter.com: We have already commented on the fake AP25 patches but recently there has been some false claims by the makers that needs to be addressed. They incorrectly claim that their patches are safer than C4EVA’s. C4′s patches are made with responses from an original disc which will always be safer than the fakes. There have been several types of fake patches in a continued failed attempt to produce “safe” or “full stealth” patches as they put it. The fake patches are made from data in the dae.bin file and ISOs of an unverified origin. 1) The first version of these fake patches used hardcoded angles with blank response data. Result: Unsafe for Live. 2) The second version continued to use hardcoded angles with added response data from ISOs of unknown origin. Result: Still unsafe for Live. 3) The third version has an option to apply random jitter to the hardcoded angles using some software. Result: Still unsafe for Live. Each supposed “improvement” is fruitless because they are not obtaining responses from an original disc. Any future releases will never be safe as long as they are based on data sources other than the original disc. A correct response can only be obtained with an original disc which is how C4EVA has always done it. A public method is in development which will allow you to extract the correct responses from original discs with a new 0800 FW. These fake releases are made for you without any regard whatsoever for the safety of your consoles and XBL account. Every official fw of patch ever released is done so after extensive testing to be as sure as possible that they would function fully using the XBL network. Do not ever trust an unofficial fw or an unofficial patch. These people do not use or understand the methods implemented by C4E and any counter claim they make now and in the future should not be believed in any way shape or form. remember – they DO NOT CARE about the safety of your console and XBL account – they only care to have their name in lights with some software release that is both dangerous and irresponsible to the Xbox firmware community. News-Source: team-xecuter.com

[lord^infamous]

I don't like how they blast these guys for trying.  While I am super grateful for any and all releases that have come from C4E, why is all the knowledge and fame hoarded?  I'm not implying this but the only explanation I can find is greed and I don't necessarily mean wealth.  It's proven that competition gives faster development of new ideas and great reward to the consumer.  Case and point would be team x and maximus products.

I will agree that C4E is geniune to the claims that our console safety with live is a priority but who are they to say other developers, "DO NOT CARE about the safety of (our) console and XBL account"?

[LightningStruckMyXbox]

I think the point is c4 knows how this all works behind the scenes, and if he is confident that these patches aren't safe then who can argue? Nobody on the scene actually understand how it all works like he does and while it is nice to have other people trying their hand at ap25 patching safety is still paramount. I highly doubt this is greed or fame poising the debate, I honestly think c4 knows his stuff and is genuinely trying to prevent people from getting banned with these bad patches. If this method actually worked do you really think c4 wouldn't have just used that method a long time ago? It sounds a lot easier to hard-code in values than intercept all challenges the xbox 360 gives. Why go through the extra work if the easy method is sound?

While it's hard to say if these new people care about your safety or not we have next to no information about how these were tested and any methods used to determine their safety on live. Everyone here knows just exactly how long it takes for c4 and people working with him to verify that everything they put out is safe, and so far it has been. Thats what it really comes down to, c4 has the respect and trust of the community and these new people don't. A little proof that these new patches are completely safe is all thats really needed. Where is it?

This post has been edited by LightningStruckMyXbox: Apr 30 2011, 08:17 AM

[sintez]

I think this guys made every that community wants — playing backups.
Seriously, I don't care about «safety in xbl» just because c4eva can't provide true safety too.

- Oh, guys, this firmware is super-duper safe
after 2 mounth
- Attention all community — firmware isn't safe, I will work for this, after year or two it will be done

Why I dont't care about safety? If I get ban in xbl, I always can sell banned console for half-price and buy new.
Now I'm in XBL with «fake» patches
Do not want wait, want play.

[Rammieone]

Well at least people can make some form of informed choice now if they use them or not!
I for one know which way i will go and who's info i will follow as C4 has earned the trust with the work hes done for all of us already in my eyes.

[trasixes]

QUOTE(lord^infamous @ Apr 29 2011, 11:18 PM)

I don't like how they blast these guys for trying.  While I am super grateful for any and all releases that have come from C4E, why is all the knowledge and fame hoarded?  I'm not implying this but the only explanation I can find is greed and I don't necessarily mean wealth.  It's proven that competition gives faster development of new ideas and great reward to the consumer.  Case and point would be team x and maximus products.

I will agree that C4E is geniune to the claims that our console safety with live is a priority but who are they to say other developers, "DO NOT CARE about the safety of (our) console and XBL account"?

Yeah I was a bit put off by the claim that these guys "do not care" and "any counter claim they make now and in the future should not be believed in any way shape or form". I'll never knock anyone for putting forth effort. C4E wasn't always the expert he is now, and I'm sure he made plenty of mistakes along the way.

As far as glory hounds go, I never feed the egos. If they provide something I can use, I'll give a thanks, and it ends there. Team Xecuter - They are of no use to me. In my mind they are just retailers. Maximus - same thing. I don't need em either.

[HOMiE7]

Don't know if my program safe or not, because only this god-damned sellers Team Xecuter can verify if it safe or not. At least they say that they can. How can you verify it for 100%? Playing backup in XBL with, as they've said, FAKE patch for year or two? And after that get banned because of custom firmware will be detectable again? Come on guys, this is $%^&!

If you check our, as they've said, FAKE patches against their, as they've said, GENUINE patches in WinHEX, you'll find a couple of bytes that differs. It's response angles. I'm 100% sure that when public method will be released and you'll dump your game with it a couple of times and compare AP25 replay sector after that you'll find differences because of jitter. And it'll be OK, because of drive CANNOT provide you the same response every time!

FYI I've ALREADY make a couple of warnings at the FIRST version of my AP25 Data Injector. If you scare that you can be banned - just do not flash your console's drive and play your originals. Just do not scratch your discs!

If you do not care - feel free to use these patches. Just make sure that your image have passed full verification in abgx360, especially Game Partition's CRC because if it don't we cannot guarantee that copied response data will be valid.

So, Team Xecuter, you'll need to be much faster with providing people needed solutions for their needs. If you can't - please shut the $%^& up!

P.S.:


This post has been edited by bucko: May 1 2011, 07:27 PM

[cyku77]

QUOTE(HOMiE7 @ Apr 30 2011, 12:35 PM)

So, Team Xecuter, you'll need to be much faster with providing people needed solutions for their needs. If you can't - please shut the $%^& up!

+1

And it's true, if team xecuter released to their firmware 0800 then I think there would be no such discussions! haha, do not released right sectors, and when others do it, then start to challenge these techniques!

This post has been edited by bucko: May 1 2011, 07:28 PM

[LightningStruckMyXbox]

Whats your testing procedure to make sure these are in fact live safe? Or are you just guessing that random angle data is safe? I genuinely want to know.

[InsaneNutter]

I would not say there "fake", a patch is a patch, it gets the game to work and will be fine for people to play offline with.

I'm sure C4EVA knows what he is on about when he says something is safe for Xbox Live or not, I don't doubt that for a second. However I see no problems for people who just want to play offline.

People who want to be safe for live will not use them, people who want to just play backups offline will.

Personally I could not care either way, I have a Jtagged 360 for homebrew / the region locked Japanese shumps and my legit 360 for playing online with mates. Its just a shame the 360 scene is all about piracy, I don't think anything will ever compare to the original Xbox days.

[bobasp1]

Wonder if it has to do with the new FW M$ put out for the drives. If cfw comes out for that the fw might have to take crc's/hash checks of specific sectors and if it fails then your screwed.

[HOMiE7]

QUOTE

Whats your testing procedure to make sure these are in fact live safe? Or are you just guessing that random angle data is safe? I genuinely want to know.

It works fine offline and online. All differences is a couple of bytes because of response angles. And it isn't random angles - it's an response angles from dae.bin and a little jitter if you want (it's random adds +1 or 0 or -1 degree to an responce angle from dae.bin). That's about it.

[pure_bluff]

Just like Kreon did ....

[=jenipapo=]

Here is all ap2.5 patches: http://hackfaq.net/x...-patches-games/

Homie, where can I get AP25 Data Injector?

Thanks!

[CelerionQ]

QUOTE(pure_bluff @ Apr 30 2011, 01:20 PM)

Just like Kreon did ....

That's a good point. The Kreon SSv1 responses are just as "fabricated" and therefore believed to be unsafe. While that is very likely true there still haven't been any Kreon related bans I know of since the LT times. There is a huge difference between something beeing detectable und microsoft actually detecting and banning because of it! So everyone has to know for himself if he is willing to take that risk or not. And if you don't care about live those patches are just as good as any others that will come.