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[gymguy]

Quick question i have backed up a couple of original xbox games using kreon drive and xbox backup creator 2.4 (doom 3 and halo 2) and when i check these in mulleter 9.7 is says iso apperars to be zero padded. Its probably detectable by microsoft. These are done on a dvd 9 verbatum any ideas on what im doing wrong? Thanks

[sosotiit]

not a firmware/dvd-rom question??

moved to backup

-soso

This post has been edited by sosotiit: Jul 23 2007, 07:00 PM

[Vspec II]

Yes that happens, there not much you can do about it either I've tried everything and they turn out
not ixtreme compatible. I think the main problem is backing up a single layer game to
a dual layer, there are alot of threads on the same issue.

[gymguy]

Just tried to backup the xbox game links 2004 with xbc 2.4 and Schtrom360Xtract_V3.2 and after the iso made i check it with XDVDMulleterBeta9.7 and the same happens says iso apperars to be zero padded. Its probably detectable by microsoft and the box for ixtreme is unchecked i tried the backup with sector mapping in xbc checked and also unchecked with the same results if anyone has any info on this please advise.

[Vspec II]

I don't think anyone knows at this point as not many have tried xbox 1 backups on ixtreme
not one I have tried works with the same issues using samsung/kreon drive
sosotiit has said it himself that it verifies ok for him here but i was thinking it may be one of the rare duel layers xbox1 games that work ok. But when a single layer xbox game get padded to duel layer that may be the problem and why xdvdmullter says it's probably detectable by microsoft . Can anyone look into this

[sosotiit]

does anyone know which xbox 1 game are made on single layer, I tought they where more or less all DL?

-soso

[gymguy]

Soso do you have a backup of halo 2? That is one of the games i tried that gave me the info about being zero padded in mulliter. If you dont try and make a backup and see what it says in mulleter. Im still using xbc 2.4 i am going to upgrade to xbc 2.5 and see if there is any change. Ill reply if i find anything out.

[sosotiit]

OK now I come with a bit more info,

no I do not have Halo 2, sorry .

Most of the work, and priorities for badsheepy is probably on Xbox360, it seems the Xbox 1 gives me strange bahavior.
No matter what I do, my main pc will not run 9.7, so I have to run 9.2.  Now I found another pc in the house that will run 9.7.

Two backups of different XBOX 1 games made exaclty the same way with Kreon 0.81 and xbcreator. Now on 9.2 both are seen as Ok by mulleter (inc the iXtreme checkmark), but on 9.7 one is giving me the padded with 0 and no iXtrem checkmark.
Now that game boots just fine

now what is right
-9.7 give a false alarm and the game is in fact OK?
-9.2 and the firmware does not see the problem and I would be at risk???

So it does seems that xbox 1 game validation is still unsure.


What beats me in all of this, is why some people have game that do not start when made with XBCreator/schtrom and Kreon 0.81

-soso

[LIVE Prophet]

Maybe quality of burner still a factor nowadays, or probably not?

[Vspec II]

sosotiit you're right i used XDVDMulleter Beta 9.2 and checked the iso it all checks out as fine where as 9.7 doesn't So the game boots fine does that mean it's ok? Hopefully it's just problem with XDVDMulleter

Thanks for the input

[gymguy]

I think we have to get some info from the guys behind both projects to see what is really happening. badsheepy to see if this is an error with 9.7 and c4eva about the zero padded xbox 1 backups boting on ixtreme1.2 is this safe or a way to get our boxes banned!

[gymguy]

New info guys and maybe a sticky for now.I would not use xbox 1 backups in your 360 as they all show up as zero padded in mulleter 9.7 and it is not known if kreon drives backup xbox 1 games right. It maybe nothing but i would personally not risk it, i asked badsheepy some questions on this :

<gymguy> why does 9.7 show all my xbox 1 backups as zero padded and probably be detected by by ms but still play on ixtreme 1.2
 <gymguy> xdvdmulleter 9.2 shows them as ixtreme compatable but 9.7 says they are zero padded and is not checked as ixtreme compatable
<gymguy> is this a problem with xdvdmulleter or ixtreme
<gymguy> any info badsheepy

<badsheepy> oh, checks on xbox 1 are currently faulty (maybe)
<badsheepy> i havent checked
<gymguy> mulleter 9.2 checks out fine but 9.7 says zero padded on all my xbox 1 backups
<badsheepy> how did you make them?
<badsheepy> kreon and original disc?
<gymguy> yes
<gymguy> on verbatium dl media
<badsheepy> im not sure why they would give you that error
<gymguy> all of them do about 5 backups
<badsheepy> but like i say, i havent tested with xbox 1 in ages
<badsheepy> i will have a look for the next version
<gymguy> like i said 9.2 checks out fine even the ixtreme box is checked on get the zero padded info on 9.7
<badsheepy> yeah well i didnt add the zero padding check till 9.7
<gymguy> well ill just keep the xbox 1 backups out of my 360 then
<gymguy> thansk for the info
<badsheepy> basically some rips (from kreon and samsung drives) have a load of zero padding in them
<badsheepy> some of its suppose to be there (we think) but some is definately not
<gymguy> id be pissed getting banned from running xbox 1 backups
<badsheepy> hehe yeah
<gymguy> thanks again
<gymguy> ill post some of this on xbox scene

[Vspec II]

Thanks gymguy for keeping us posted on this issue, I have been waiting for a response

[badsheepy]

Xbox 1 games ripped with sector mapping on are zero padded. Its detectable. I am not sure, but after a bit of discussing on irc im pretty suspicious that ALL xbox 1 isos may well be detectable also. Course, that doesnt mean they will not boot (because they should) but it MIGHT mean you will get banned if you use them.

For those who are interested, here is the problem:

Xbox 360 stores all its security sectors after the video data and before the data partition, and this area is not visible to the console at ANY time. (before unlocking, its limited to the video area, and after, its limited to the data partition). So that we cant duplicate those sectors is irrelevent. However, on xbox 1 the security sectors are contained within the filesystem (between files and at the beginning and end) Because these areas are visible to the console it can simply read them and see if they give an error. If not, its a copy.

This is also why xbox 1 ripping takes so long. We dont know where the bad sectors are, so we cant just rip the entire data partition, we have to check sectors with read errors to ensure they arent just disc reading errors and are in fact security sectors.

Ultimately, im not sure xbox 1 is safe at all. But offline, you will probably be fine. And online, there doesnt appear to be any checks for this either. Ignore the zero padding error, isos with it should still boot, just be detectable. Just weigh up how important xbox 1 is for you compared to your xbox live account (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[sosotiit]

@Viral Doom

No backup from another backup  (you xbox1 files are already a backup)

redo from the original using Kreon/samsung and XBCr/Schtrom.

-soso