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[Chancer]

QUOTE(Muzzakus @ May 29 2007, 08:59 AM)

I'm curious as to the actual purpose of the information the DMI, PFI contains, and why they may be different from one game to game.  And as you mention - what if you have some kind of a Frankenbuild..E.g. an old image patched with these sectors from another game?

Can this result in a valid stealth check - yet detectable by M$ as something fishy ?

Cheers,
Muz

# WHAT NOT TO ASK at XS
# How to extract an image from a backup: NO image extraction from a backup. We do not care what the cute reason is, we heard them all and it is no.
# How to merge additional stealth components in an existing image. Redo them from the originals.
Just a different way of getting info on the question not to ask in bold.
Don't ask.

QUOTE(Graph @ May 29 2007, 03:57 AM)

where can some one find (get)the pfi and dmi.bins of an specific game if they are missing when checked with xbc...  

thanks

Definitely Don't ask

[bebrewer1]

This is all good information.  I wish that I had checked my backups more thoroughly in the past couple of months.  I think that I got banned because of the following errors on two of the following backups I made-

Crackdown - XDVDM shows that "PFI is present, but appears invalid"  It does still show "stealth sectors present" as being checked but I guess I made a mistake somewhere.

NBA Street Homecourt - XDVDM shows "DMI is present, but appears invalid.  Same as above on "stealth sectors present".

I know I just need to re-make the images but does anyone have an idea on what could have can cause those errors when extracting the image?

[sosotiit]

With what software/drive these where made? it would help
-soso

This post has been edited by sosotiit: May 29 2007, 05:51 PM

[lorosario]

in the latest xdvdmulleter beta 7 when I check a backup it never check video data present but if I check manually there are the folders.  Also  video partition present, security sector present,  dmi/pfi present they all are checked.  Xtreme compatible is not checked is this a bug?
thanks

[sosotiit]

could be, that is why a double check with explorer / dvdinfopro is a good idea.
-soso

This post has been edited by sosotiit: May 31 2007, 02:03 PM

[jimbeam10]

QUOTE(lorosario @ May 31 2007, 02:05 PM)

in the latest xdvdmulleter beta 7 when I check a backup it never check video data present but if I check manually there are the folders.  Also  video partition present, security sector present,  dmi/pfi present they all are checked.  Xtreme compatible is not checked is this a bug?
thanks

There is a newer one that fixes that its xdvdmulleter beta 7 test 7

[shadowth]

I redid one of my backups using the tutorials, added dmi, pfi, checked the iso with dvdmulleter, it was ok, checked everything with dvdinfopro, also ok and it has video partition as well.

When I try to run with ixtreme, it recognizes the disc, tries to boot it and gives me a dirty disc error! What else can I check with the backup to make sure it is ok?

[sosotiit]

How have you done the backup
-Drive /FW use for extraction
-software...
-merge method

Have you run SChtrom or XBCreator stealth check on the ISO?

are other backup running fine (not the first ) on which media?
originals playing fine?

-soso

[wolverinevseveryone]

what is the eaisest software and has the most user friendly? do i need a special dvd-rom drive to check my backups to see if they are stealth?

[sosotiit]

if they are on iso , schtrom or xbc
if they are already on dvd then mulleter (agreed^^ that you need version 7 test 7, not sure where to find it) or as per the tutorial you can use dvdinfopro.

Now I want to warn you that all these will tell you if there are components present (and in some case it they are valid). Only you know that you have made them from the originals and that all these component are from that game.

For example the dmi is very specific per game and if a DMI from another is used, then there is no way to know that this will not be identified at some point. Only backup your originals with the all components coming from the same original disc.

-soso

This post has been edited by sosotiit: May 31 2007, 09:44 PM

[leeds1970]

QUOTE(mace1337 @ May 25 2007, 10:56 AM)

Tutorial: Verifying media stealth using XDVDMulleter

For this tutorial you will need:

-XDVDMulleter, I used beta 7 (referred to as XDVDM from now on)
-A xbox backup
-A computer with a DVD drive  

NOTE: As aboce, you can only verify the presence of the Video, SS, PFI and DMI.
The validity of these sectors can only be verified against the original, as always, when in doubt. re-rip it.
Also: This does NOT guarantee that microsoft is not able to see if you are running backups or not, it is simply
an extra check for your own peace of mind.

I've verified results against the method described above and they give the same results.

Now let us begin.

Step 1
Here you can see the main screen of XDVDM, you can see a few options, the one we need is the top one.
Select that and click next.



Step 2
If you haven't already, insert your backup into your DVD drive. Remember what drive letter the DVD drive has.

Click on the "Load from DVDR" tab, and select your drive's letter with the drop-down box.



Step 3
My DVDROM drive is K:\ K for Kreon (It's coincidence )
Select yours from the list.
 


Step 4
Now click "Load Disc"



Step 5
Loading takes a short while, don't worry.
When it's done and the next button is active, click the next button.



Final step

In the final screen you can see all sorts of handy information, like game region, number of files etc...
The thing we're interested in is the "Xtreme Compatibility" and "ISO Type"

The top left three checkboxes under "Xtreme Compatibility" tell you if a backup is stealthed or not.
Video partition and Security sector basically speak for themselves, the other "Stealth Sectors" are the PFI and DMI sectors.

The Security sector needs to be present for a backup to work, but it is theoretically detectable by microsoft.
The video partition and DMI and PFI need to be present for a backup to be stealthed, in theory undetectable by microsoft.

The bottom radiobuttons and checkbox tell you about compatability with the xtreme firmware.

The ISO type needs to match with your game,xbox360 for 360 games and xbox for xbox game.
Also important is the "Xtreme Compatible" checkbox, it needs to be checked.

Below are two images I made of 2 games.

This is a backup of Oblivion, one I made "back in the day" and one that has no DMI or PFI present.
You can clearly see the checkbox that is unchecked. This backup is considered UNSAFE.


This is a backup of GoW which I made later on, and it has all the stealth sectors present, this backup is theoretically safe,
but with all the recent bannings no-one can be sure. This method is purely for your own peace of mind.

cheers m8 nice post many thx

[Serj]

I just tried inserting the SS, PFI & DMI files of 1 game, into another. I burned that game to a disc and inserted it my ms28 Samsung drive with the iXtreme firmware...and it played.

My question is simple, even with the incorrect SS/PFI/DMI files, as long as it has the files, with iXtreme firmware, would they be able to tell the difference? and also, is there a way to verify that the SS/PFI/DMI files are correct for a particular game?

Thanks =)

EDIT: Forgot to mention, it passed the stealth checks of Xbox Backup Creator, DVDMulleter, and Schtrom360Xtract.

This post has been edited by Serj: Jun 2 2007, 06:06 AM

[popballz]

so is the pioneer 111d a bad drive to do backups with?( using a paper clip method?)


and if the backup is done correctly then are the stealth things(the pmi,and dmi) already in the image or do u have to put them in like the ss?(like extract them from the disk separately?

and will the pioneer 111d be able to check the disks with that dvd mutlinater program with out doing anything special?( like the paper clip?)

if these are bad questions to ask then i am sorry...it all pertains to originals

[garyopa]

It is simple, you OWN the ORIGINAL, you MAKE your own BACKUP from your ORIGINAL,
and then you will always have the right SS, PFI, DMI and VIDEO parts for that GAME.

If you get files or patchs from unknown sources and apply it to a game, just because
it boots does not mean it is safe to use or will prevent you from getting banned.

iXTREME v1.0 is very will written and stops alot of false boots with incorrect info,
but it does not prevent things like what you did, alot of the SS are very much the
same and you can boot some games with other SS, but this is UNSAFE and NOT
the recommended way, no program or firmware can detect mistakes like that.

It is very simple, if you are making your own BACKUPS from your ORIGINALs you will be fine.

Another way to put this fact across, is to think about "skydiving", one of the major rules to always
inspect your gear, and if possible with proper training "pack" your chute yourself, or at least know
how it should be packed, and make sure it is done right.

You just don't grab any unknown "chute" and jump out of the plane.
You are asking for trouble, and certain death.

So that is the same with XBOX Live, if you want to play safe and use LIVE without getting the
Ban Hammer dropped on you, make sure you know the source of your files.

And always always do it yourself and don't trust any "scene" or other unknown source for files,
grab yourself a compatible ripping drive and rip all the needed parts from the original yourself,
and you will be fine on LIVE.

(EDIT: bad english & grammar, give me a break it is 3:30am in the morning)

This post has been edited by garyopa: Jun 2 2007, 07:57 AM

[Lush]

That is a very good analogy you used garyopa...  it is always best to do it yourself so that you know it's done properly...