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[Albut35]

I recently purchased a pack of Verbatim 2.4x.. I've burnt two games so far and niether of them work and stop half way through the burning process with errors! The Disc ID is MKM-001-00, so I'm assuming these are the crappy India discs right? I've burnt around 20 backups of my games before with Verbatims and they've all worked fine, but this new pack I got hasn't worked at all yet ..

[jesterrace777]

Check the spindle near the UPC symbol and it will list the country of origin.  How many times do I need to say it though folks.  Stick with the 8x official stuff and it will be fine:

http://www.buy.com/p.../205631517.html

[cj2]

cheaper if you go here:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16817130029

[digitalman42]

QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Dec 24 2007, 12:20 PM)

Check the spindle near the UPC symbol and it will list the country of origin.  How many times do I need to say it though folks.  Stick with the 8x official stuff and it will be fine:

http://www.buy.com/p.../205631517.html

Holy cow, I stand corrected......  They are new packaging that I have never scene before, but yes they are only 2.4x  My apology dude.

QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Dec 24 2007, 12:20 PM)

Check the spindle near the UPC symbol and it will list the country of origin.  How many times do I need to say it though folks.  Stick with the 8x official stuff and it will be fine:

http://www.buy.com/p.../205631517.html

[jesterrace777]

QUOTE(cj2 @ Dec 24 2007, 02:50 PM)

cheaper if you go here:
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817130029

Depends on whether or not you make use of the google checkout at buy.com.  $31 shipped for the 15 pack at newegg and $24.24 for 15 shipped at buy.com if you are a first time google checkout user.

[digitalman42]

What was strange about the 20 pack of verbatim india discs was some of them worked great, some of them burnt but wouldnt read very well, and some of them were just coasters.  It's like even in the spindle it was a mixed bag.  I will always get the 8x ones from now on.  I cant beleive Verbatim would release garbage like the 2.4 discs.  Iv'e been in the pc scene for a looooong time and verbatim never released crap discs before.

[jesterrace777]

QUOTE(digitalman42 @ Dec 25 2007, 05:46 PM)

What was strange about the 20 pack of verbatim india discs was some of them worked great, some of them burnt but wouldnt read very well, and some of them were just coasters.  It's like even in the spindle it was a mixed bag.  I will always get the 8x ones from now on.  I cant beleive Verbatim would release garbage like the 2.4 discs.  Iv'e been in the pc scene for a looooong time and verbatim never released crap discs before.

That's because they have never really handed the total production of an entire line off to Moser Baer before (The company in India who makes them).  This is the reason why it is so important to avoid name brand labels and to stay on top of the current manufacturers.  They are far more indicative of quality than a label that outsources to 2 or 3 different manufacturers with varying quality standards.  

[carl25]

Jesterrace take a look at this and tell what u think...

http://www.digitalfa...cedconcepts.htm

http://www.digitalfa...media/index.htm

its a pretty good understanding about media's and quality an such...but it is contradictory to some things of new...such as the outsourcing part


Its half informational and half BS

[jesterrace777]

That is absolute BS.  especially the line about things not mattering about which manufacturer produces them as they are all the same manufacturer.  Ask anyone who has used fakes, MII media as compared to MIS media, ect.

[carl25]

Oh, I agree completely, I dont doubt your knowledge and expirience at all...just thought it would be interesting to you and informational to some...the article is also over a year old...but still BS at that time!


I use the Verbatim 95123 printables and love them, I have used only quality media for long time, i did use Riteks a while back with mostly success, but we'll see how long those burns last...

[stiller35]

Well I have had the same issue, bought the Verbaitem's on special at our local Futsure Shop, with the bluish and yellow paper ring, made in India discs. I have had nothing but problems. I have a Pioneer Dual Layer burner. I have been burning games for quite sometime. I never have coasters using previous Verb. dual layer discs.  On a side note, the orange and blue 8X dual layers work PERFECT. It seems the pale yellow and blue paper label version are the shits.

My dual layer burner makes a girnding noise like its having trouble trying to read most of the blanks on those 2.4x Verbaitem. Anyways, I was thinking it was my burner at first, so I bought a new one yesterday, same grinding noise with those Verb. discs. I then purchased som FUJI Dual Layers on special, burned 6 games so far, and they work perfectly

[jesterrace777]

QUOTE(stiller35 @ Jan 1 2008, 02:17 AM)

Well I have had the same issue, bought the Verbaitem's on special at our local Futsure Shop, with the bluish and yellow paper ring, made in India discs. I have had nothing but problems. I have a Pioneer Dual Layer burner. I have been burning games for quite sometime. I never have coasters using previous Verb. dual layer discs.  On a side note, the orange and blue 8X dual layers work PERFECT. It seems the pale yellow and blue paper label version are the shits.

My dual layer burner makes a girnding noise like its having trouble trying to read most of the blanks on those 2.4x Verbaitem. Anyways, I was thinking it was my burner at first, so I bought a new one yesterday, same grinding noise with those Verb. discs. I then purchased som FUJI Dual Layers on special, burned 6 games so far, and they work perfectly

Once again that is because the 8x official ones are still all produced by MKM's home plant in Singapore which has the highest quality production standards of any DL media available to the masses. . . PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Toddler]

I get the difference and they are all I use, personally speaking.  But at some point, Singapore Verbs might not be available.  Rather than the usual "don't discuss anything but Verbatim" mentality, I wish there was more discussion about which alternatives have worked well for people, in conjunction with which 360 drives.

[jesterrace777]

Unfortunately, the problem is that there is such a gap between MIS Verbatim and all other DL media that it really has come down to that.  The gap between quality DL media and the rest is quite large whereas with single layer media you have many more options and a significantly lower pricetag on all.  I guess if it came down to it though and all Verbatim production went MII and there was no other high quality alternative I would probably take my chances with one of the Ritek variants/brands (ie unbranded Ritek, Memorex, Fujifilm).  I will conceed that at least thus far Ritek seems to be of better quality in general than MII Verbatim.  That being said I would only do it under the following conditions:

1. My DVD Burner would have to be a late model Pioneer (109 or later)

2. My 360 drive would have to be a Samsung with the latest firmware


The reasons for doing so would be that in general the Pioneers are pretty flexible with a wide range of media in general and the Samsung 360 drive since they have long been known to be the most forgiving drives in terms of what they will read.  Although I might go with a Benq once we have had a little more time to collect data on them.  Thus far they seem to be great at getting along with media.  


Once again I am not currently condoning the aforementioned option as a viable alternative at this point, I am just saying that if worse came to worse in the future, that would probably be your best shot at success.

[Toddler]

Thanks, good discussion.

If I were to stray from MIS Verbatim, I really wouldn't know where to go.  I work with videographers and digital photographers who do a lot of archiving to DVD.  A year ago, most of them swore by Ritek based on the quality of their scans immediately after burning.  Now those same guys avoid Ritek like the plague because their discs are now virtually unreadable without CD-Check.  These are professionals who store their discs in a cool, dry place, stored vertically, etc., and now they are frantically converting their archives to other brands.

Seems that Verbatim, Taiyo Yuden and TDK are the popular "premium" alternatives.  A couple of folks mention Princo as average media but it seems to resist deterioration well.  Also some good things have been said about Gigastorage (never heard of them).  One guy I know said he has tested his library and Gigastorage media shows virtually no deterioration in almost a year of storage.