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[xier]

Really - I donated to Image Burn so I think I'm ok - but thanks for your insight.

[J_star]

I want to buy a Arita double layer DVD+R 8.5Gb 2.4x / 25-pack for 18,40 €. These are Ritek D01, thats the same as mamorex, Witch are also Retek D01 and workt o.k.

Now i read that the are rebranded disk, so the quality are littlebit worse, but if you look at the price, i wonder is it worth the risk, if ells im going to stay with ritek's frome philips and memorex.
I find memorex to expensive.

Burning with a Pioneer 112D.

Link to the reseller: http://www.opus.nl/p...?...=310&gid=29

[jesterrace777]

QUOTE(xier @ Nov 9 2007, 10:25 PM)

Really - I donated to Image Burn so I think I'm ok - but thanks for your insight.

He's talking about DOWNLOADING, which is strictly forbidden to be discussed here.  IMG Burn is freeware so there is no issue there, but the way in which you obtained the game is.  

QUOTE(J_star @ Nov 11 2007, 03:30 PM)

I want to buy a Arita double layer DVD+R 8.5Gb 2.4x / 25-pack for 18,40 €. These are Ritek D01, thats the same as mamorex, Witch are also Retek D01 and workt o.k.

Now i read that the are rebranded disk, so the quality are littlebit worse, but if you look at the price, i wonder is it worth the risk, if ells im going to stay with ritek's frome philips and memorex.
I find memorex to expensive.

Burning with a Pioneer 112D.

Link to the reseller: http://www.opus.nl/p...?...=310&gid=29

If the Ritek discs work so well for you, then why not track down some unbranded ones.  You should be able to find them for that price.  I for one will not touch anything other than MKM in Singapore for a manufacturer, but I understand that since you are in Europe you pay rip-off prices for any computer/electronic items.

[$tate]

@jesterrace777. What do you think of HP DVD+R DL media? I know obviously it not as good as Verbs, but are they alright?

I got a TS drive, which you say is not as 'fussy' as hitachi but I just want your opinion on them.

Here's a link:
http://www.take2.co.za/product.php?id=2708937

[jesterrace777]

QUOTE($tate @ Nov 11 2007, 07:07 PM)

@jesterrace777. What do you think of HP DVD+R DL media? I know obviously it not as good as Verbs, but are they alright?

I got a TS drive, which you say is not as 'fussy' as hitachi but I just want your opinion on them.

Here's a link:
http://www.take2.co.....php?id=2708937

They are manufactured by CMC Mag.  Once again I will not touch ANYTHING other than a MIS MKM DL DVD+R disc for DL media simply because I refuse to play russian roulette with anything as pricey as DL media and I am anal retentive about having discs that last as long as possible and that I can use them with any burner/firmware, drive, application, ect.  CMC Mag DL seem to fall below Ritek DL in general but there are some that for their particular setup CMC Mag DL works better than Ritek DL.  Hence once again the problem with the lower grade of DL media manufacturers and why I don't trust or recommend them to anyone, since the results are virtually impossible to predict with any degree of certainty.

[Mithradates]

I started with Arita disks (mediacode RITEK), the disks I burned in the beginning worked perfect (and still do), they're 8 months old now. But when I was running to the end of my spindle they all started failing me, my Hitachi v47DJ wouldn't even read them right after the burnprocess. So I decided to order new DVD's with an other mediacode, I saw some cheap MediaRange disks (~€10,- per spindle of 10) with mediacode RICOH JPN, I remembered Ricoh being great quality at the DVD+R disks so I ordered some and they seem to be working fine, burned around 25 now and all running perfectly, not one failure, not one dirty/unplayable disk error and booting really quick. The oldest ones are 4 months old now. Do you maybe got some kind of explanation for this phenomenon? MediaRange is a German brand btw (or well, their site is MediaRange.de).
I'm burning with a NEC ND-3540, with the latest original firmware (1.04) btw.

Cheers,
Mithradates

[jesterrace777]

Just because it works for less than a year doesn't make it good quality media (as you saw with your Ritek discs) .  I would be curious to see some error rate scans on those if you happen to have a Benq, Lite-On or Plextor Burner.  Also cheap media burning well or being read well depends a lot on the burner/firmware and your particular 360 drive/firmware.  Note that even though two drives might have the same firmware and model number, they can still be worlds apart in what they read.  So in otherwords it's all luck of the draw.  Hence the reason why so many of us insist on the Made In Singapore MKM produced discs for double layer.  They really are the only one that works well with a wide variety of configurations.

[jesterrace777]

For those of you curious about the 8x official rated discs, I did a quality scan of an 8x official MKM003 disc MADE IN SINGAPORE.  Pretty good considering I did actually burn this disc at 8x.

http://club.cdfreaks...tml#post1938540

[vampiro]

QUOTE(jesterrace777 @ Nov 24 2007, 02:05 AM)

For those of you curious about the 8x official rated discs, I did a quality scan of an 8x official MKM003 disc MADE IN SINGAPORE.  Pretty good considering I did actually burn this disc at 8x.

Have you used other namebranded DVD+R DL besides verbatim (for example Sony, with MKM made in Singapore technology), to succesfully work with a Hitachi Drive?  

I've been looking for Verbatims made in Singapore for the past week with no luck, all made in India. I'm spending more money on transportation to find media than actually buying any media.

I have thouroughly read through all Threads regarding Hitachi, Samsung, Media, and Burner compatibilty for the past week but I have not seen anyone post anything about a successful backup with media other than verbatim but with MKM made in Singapore Technology. I did see someone mention sony with mkm but no word on whether it was used on Hitachi or Samsung or if it was successful or not.

Thank You for your knowledge. It is very well appreciated over here.

[Bryan9129]

hey Jester, i was curious... I am about to start making some backups of my games. I see that you have the pioneer 111D, by chance thats the drive i happened to buy with my computer, i was curious if there is a particular firmware version that you suggest over another, or if you just keep up with the most recent for that drive.

Thanks for the info!

[jesterrace777]

QUOTE(vampiro @ Nov 27 2007, 12:51 PM)

Have you used other namebranded DVD+R DL besides verbatim (for example Sony, with MKM made in Singapore technology), to succesfully work with a Hitachi Drive?  

I've been looking for Verbatims made in Singapore for the past week with no luck, all made in India. I'm spending more money on transportation to find media than actually buying any media.

I have thouroughly read through all Threads regarding Hitachi, Samsung, Media, and Burner compatibilty for the past week but I have not seen anyone post anything about a successful backup with media other than verbatim but with MKM made in Singapore Technology. I did see someone mention sony with mkm but no word on whether it was used on Hitachi or Samsung or if it was successful or not.

Thank You for your knowledge. It is very well appreciated over here.

1. Yes the MIS made Sonys are the exact same thing as the good 'ol MIS Verbatims that we all love and yes they will work just fine on the Hitachi since they are the exact same disc.  I don't understand why people think that they are different since they both come from the exact same manufacturer and are built to the exact same qualifications.  Just goes once again to prove the point that name brand labels MEAN NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!  The reason why you haven't seen anything yet is that the outsourcing to MKM in Singapore has only started recently among the Sony DL DVD+R discs.   Keep in mind that only SOME of the DL Sonys are being outsourced to MKM in Singapore so like the Verbatims you will have to check the country of origin before buying.  Most of the DL Sonys are still produced by Ritek in Taiwan.  

2.  You can still get guaranteed MIS MKM discs under the Verbatim label if you buy the official 8x DL Verbatim discs.  They are all still produced by the home plant in Singapore.  Best Buy currently has them in 15 packs for $30 (All of the 8x official media is easily distinguishable by the orange label on the pack).  A bit more expensive but then again I haven't seen any earth shattering sales on the 2.4x DL Verbatims these days.  You might be lucky enough to find some MIS DL DVD+R Sonys but they are still pretty rare.

[vampiro]

Thank you for making this more clear. I'm going to order some official rated 8x speed DVD+R DL (15 packs) Verbatims. Hoping my NEC OPTIARC AD-7170A FW VER 1.02 or TSST TS-L632D FW VER GA05 will make a successful backup to work correctly on my Hitachi 59DJ drive. I will definetly post my results. If it doesn't work then I guess I'll get a Pioneer DVR-112 and update my results.

[jesterrace777]

Not to confuse you further but it seems that also the inkjet printable in the 2.4x official line is also still produced in Singapore.  Not sure how long that will last though and as it sits right now the 8x official media is cheaper while it is on sale.

[SnoopKatt]

You guys might find this interesting, I bought a 20-Pack of DVD+R DL's from Office Max, and the label says "Made in India" but on the bottom, it says "A MITSUBISHI KAGAKU MEDIA COMPANY". Also, I put one into my burner and as you can see on the bottom, it's MKM:

I'll take a picture of the spindle wrapper later if you all want, but I have to find my good camera. But yeah, I thought Moser Baer made the MII discs.

[Commex]

MII comes up as MKM on XBC - However, its still crappy media. You need the MIS, though its interesting Officedepot is now using moser baer as their supplier for osme media.